I am not sure if this is folklore or legit but I have heard due to the time consuming process to get good maduro wrappers some makers have painted their wrappers in the past  to make them dark?

Is this true of false?  If true do we know what brands did that?

its 100% true


may brands still do.... not so much to make them dark now but more to even out their tone. i would venture that it would be easier to start a list of brands that DONT do this than it would be to make a list of those that do.

again, its not the main source of color, but it will give it a more appealing even tone to the eye.

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What do they paint them with?

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jlmarta:

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Just look at the head of a maduro after smoking. If the color is a lot lighter than the rest, they painted it.

On the flip side, I have been smoking some Oscuros and Maduros that are barely darker than a habano wrapper. They were some amazing smokes.

vankleekkw:

Just look at the head of a maduro after smoking. If the color is a lot lighter than the rest, they painted it.

i dont think this is a good indicator. since they usually just do it to even out the color this may or may not be accurate.


im not sure what the actually dye is, but i assure you it is 100% non toxic.

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It seems the dye is a molasses looking deal and some add sugar to it for the Maduro sweetness. Also can be steamed for Maduro appearance 60-120 minutes at 180 degrees F . Some sites say its easy to tell if they are dyed as it will leave a slightly brown residue on the smokers lips/hands ...I have never personally experienced that ....

This is correct but needs some clarification. All maduro wrapper bleeds to one extent or another. If you visit a factory and see someone rolling a maduro, their hands are almost black. This is because they had to wet the wrapper heavily to make it pliable so they can roll it around a cigar. As a result, it bleeds onto the hands of the roller. In many cases, they wipe down the cigars after rolling to try to prevent in from bleeding onto your lips when smoking. So, if you see some dark stuff on your lips after smoking, that does not mean they painted it. All cigars bleed to some degree.

Why paint? This is a good question and it has a very long answer. Maduro literally means "Ripe" in spanish. After a cigar is picked and cured, it goes into fermentation. Fermentation will last anywhere from 6 months to three years... or even more. Tobacco is fermented in Pilones (large piles of tobacco) and the process is a lot like composting. These piles are wet which initiates a chemical reaction that breaks down the composition of the leaf. The process produces heat as a by product so the workers monitor the heat carefully in each pilone. Once the heat reaches a certain point, the pilones are broken down and the tobacco is rotated from inside to out and top to bottom. The process starts again naturally. Each time the pilone is flipped, it takes a longer duration of time for the temperature to rise until eventually it stops fluctuating at all once the reactions start. At this stage, the tobacco is tested by the blender to see if it is ready. If it is, it goes to aging or immediate use... if not the tobacco is rewet and the process starts again. Each time you run a fermentation cycle, the tobacco darkens as the sugars are extracted along with many of its other tannic properties. The idea is to round out the flavor of the tobacco. The amount you can ferment a leaf is dependent on the thickness. For example, a thin leaf cant take the punishment of 3 years of fermenting and eventually just falls apart. But a thick leaf can ferment for many years. So for a good maduro, a fermentation specialist will need to start with a nice thick and hearty leaf. After three years of fermentation, the wrapper will be very dark and what is called a true maduro.

So now we know that Maduro means "ripe" and that it is actually a process, not a description of color. Maduro just means that it is extra fermented which typically means it will be sweeter as the sugars were extracted over a long period of time. Prior to the boom, "oscuro" was the name we used for dark cigars and maduro just meant longer fermented. So how did this all change and when did painting come into play? This is where it gets interesting. At the start of the boom, people started associating maduro as a color because they usually were darker on account of the extra fermentation. They became very popular and all of the sudden demand for premium cigars more than tripled in one year, especially demand for maduro. So at this point, the cigar public adopted the term maduro to mean dark and it has remained ever since. Now, with demand at an all time high, especially for a true maduro which people liked for its sweetness, factories were struggling to keep up with demand. Especially if you consider that it takes 3 years to naturally ferment a true maduro wrapper and no one saw the huge surge in demand. So what did they do? They took under fermented wrapper or natural wrappers and painted them black and sold them as maduros. Wrapper was not only painted, but it was turned dark through a process called "cooking" where the wrappers are broiled to artificially speed up the coloration process. So now you had thick unfermented leaves or even rich cuban seed leaves that were being processed and sold as maduro. Now this caused a whole separate set of issues. These cigars were spicy, bitter and tannic in taste. This led to people starting to think that dark wrappers (which were now incorrectly being called maduro simply because of their color) are associated with strong and harsh flavors (when the truth is that it should be mellow and sweet). hence why you still to this day hear people say they dont like dark cigars because they are stronger.

The bottom line is that the cigar boom screwed everything up in this industry and its effects are still lasting Fortunately, maduro is returning to what it used to be and cigar makers are able to keep up with demand and do the process naturally. Many maduros are done in the tried and true manner today. Some guys still color but only to even out the appearance of the wrapper, not to cheat the process. You see, real maduro is pretty ugly. In my opinion, it is okay for a maker to touch up his wrappers, but only if the wrapper has been properly fermented and is a true maduro. This is actually very common. It is not okay when it is done to cover up unfermented leaf.

Remember

1. Maduro Means ripe and it is descriptive of a process the tobacco went through, not the color.

2. Many cigar makers will paint or even the color on their authentic maduro wrappers to make them more asthetic. This is not cheating. However, if the wrapper did not go through the "maduro" fermentation process and is colored to darken the entire cigar to decieve customers, this is a big No No.

3. Best way to tell if youve been had is to smoke a cigar inquestion. If it is rough, bitter, tanic and lacks sweetness, you may have a painted or cooked wrapper that is not a true "maduro".

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Thanks for the awesome insight...besides the great botls here, just another reason to keep coming back here.

Umm, Alex, could you expound on that a little?


Just kidding, that was everything I ever wanted to know about Maduros (but was afraid to ask).

Thanks!

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cabinetmaker:

Umm, Alex, could you expound on that a little?


Just kidding, that was everything I ever wanted to know about Maduros (but was afraid to ask).

Thanks!

ha! the only thing that Alex didnt cover was the difference between maduro and oscuro

There are many misconceptions about the differences between maduro and oscuro wrappers. Many people think the distinction is simply the color differences between the leaves.....


Oscuro is a Spanish word that means “blackish” or “dark.” Oscuro wrapper leaves are typically taken from the top priming, or uppermost part of the tobacco plant. These leaves are called the corona (“crown”) or medio tiempo (literally “half time,” meaning they’ve been left on the plant 50% longer). Since these leaves have been exposed to a maximum amount of sunlight, they begin to cure on the plant. You end up with a darker, thicker, richer and more flavorful leaf.

Oscuro leaves then go through a normal fermentation process, with a shorter fermentation time and at lower temperatures than for maduro. After fermentation and before manufacturing cigars, oscuro leaves are aged. Some companies will age the leaves in barrels, crates, or bales. During this aging period the leaves will get even darker, sometimes you will see leaves that are totally black, causing many people to mistakenly think they are maduro. Nevertheless, it is not possible to distinguish between maduro and oscuro leaves simply on the basis of color. Instead, it is the different processes that determine whether the tobacco leaves are maduro or oscuro.

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