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Experimentation in Rest and Aging.

Last post 02-24-2010, 1:23 AM by kuzi16. 43 replies.
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  • Experimentation in Rest and Aging.

     08-16-2009, 11:47 PM

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    Well, I've benefited from the wealth of knowledge the members here on this board, but now is the time to see the benefits of rest and aging for myself. On Saturday I received two of the Cigar.com Brasilia Label 5 packs from the Daily Deal. So I have 10 cigars to begin my experiment. The control and variable is simple. I will smoke 1 of these cigars quarterly; one every 3rd Sunday of every 3rd month; the experiment will last 2.5 years. I will closely monitor the temp and humidity as I do on a daily basis. I have decided to remove the cellophanes from these cigars for this trial. After smoking the cigar, I'll write down my notes and record what I have observed, and I'll post those findings here. This is a cigar that I know I like.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-16-2009, 11:50 PM

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    Cigar.com Brazil Label Torpedo #1. This is part of a 2.5 year experiment to observe and learn from the benefits of rest and aging on cigars.

    Comments on Cigar:
    I enjoyed this cigar on the patio just after sunset on a day when I was already relaxed. I drank a Memmosa with it. The cut was straight and clean and it had a good prelight draw. The cigars arrived only yesterday and has only had 24 hours rest. The cigar was somewhat hard. I noticed the wrapper is a little thin, a trait I have associated with cheaper cigars. The burn was very even all the way down and I had no problems at all with it going out as it sat unattended as I read “Power & Greed: A brief history of the world.” The taste began bitter, became sweet and chocolaty and ended bitter. Hopefully, the 3 month cigar will be better with rest.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 12:02 AM

    You might want to stuff these sticks back into their cello, the wrappers on them are a bit thin and the cello will help keep them from getting too beaten up in the ole humi, especially since your doing a 2.5 year experiment on them. Would be a shame to see it end early due to cigar damage.
    brsmith21:
    I've heard the first step is admitting that you have a problem. Thankfully, I don't have a problem. I'll just smoke more.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 12:29 AM

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    Garen B:
    You might want to stuff these sticks back into their cello, the wrappers on them are a bit thin and the cello will help keep them from getting too beaten up in the ole humi, especially since your doing a 2.5 year experiment on them. Would be a shame to see it end early due to cigar damage.


    Good idea, but I've thought into this one and I'd like for them to be out of the cellophane for maximum humidification. I'll possibly gain some information about in/out of cellophane and humidification issues. I've taken them out of the cellophane and tucked them to sleep in an isolated section of my humidor where they will not be affected by traffic. Good concern though.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 1:46 AM

    2.5 years, to some, may be the low end of age. if you did it every 6 months you would get far better results.


    the real question is if you have the patience.
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  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 2:03 AM

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    kuzi16:
    2.5 years, to some, may be the low end of age. if you did it every 6 months you would get far better results.


    the real question is if you have the patience.
    Kuzi, I'll take your word as expert experience and make it one per 6 months, extending the experiment to 5 years. I have nothing but time and I do not think temptation will be a factor as it's a low end cigar to begin with. Now if I were trying to do this with some GoF's, I probably wouldn't make it past week 1. The real question is will I remember to come update this message in 6 months. I'm co-ordinating this thing through my Office Outlook calendar so I can always just build a reminder into the scheduled event.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 9:35 AM

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    clearlysuspect:
    Kuzi, I'll take your word as expert experience and make it one per 6 months, extending the experiment to 5 years. I have nothing but time and I do not think temptation will be a factor as it's a low end cigar to begin with. Now if I were trying to do this with some GoF's, I probably wouldn't make it past week 1. The real question is will I remember to come update this message in 6 months. I'm co-ordinating this thing through my Office Outlook calendar so I can always just build a reminder into the scheduled event.
    Awesome idea! Just mind though that your perception of the cigar will continually change! So even though the cigar might have 2 years on it and might be a million years better than the one you just smoked, maybe after 2 years you will just hate this cigar. There are so many variables that will affect your perceptions - even your Memmosa or whatever. Where you smoke it, with whom, what time of day, what mood you are in, what you drink, what you had to eat before, etc, etc... It is an awesome experiment but due to the fact YOU are NOT a robot (i hope) and do not have consistency built in you, it might not be a very successful experiment. Mainly due to the time - it is toooo long for reliable data. Yes, that's the point of aging, but I am a bit pessimistic.. Then, I am always a pessimist lol... Anyway - I will be excited to find out results from this. You should have however gone with a slightly "better" cigar. Cheers and good luck!

    A way to help you with things and also keep track of it better is to start a BLOG. Consider doing this and keeping a very detailed journal of every time you smoke. In the blog you should also LOG every other cigar you have smoked. Just a log - no descriptions needed. And also note any changes in your preferences that come up with time. God speed! :)

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  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 1:33 PM

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    Renaissance_Man:
    clearlysuspect:
    Kuzi, I'll take your word as expert experience and make it one per 6 months, extending the experiment to 5 years. I have nothing but time and I do not think temptation will be a factor as it's a low end cigar to begin with. Now if I were trying to do this with some GoF's, I probably wouldn't make it past week 1. The real question is will I remember to come update this message in 6 months. I'm co-ordinating this thing through my Office Outlook calendar so I can always just build a reminder into the scheduled event.
    Awesome idea! Just mind though that your perception of the cigar will continually change! So even though the cigar might have 2 years on it and might be a million years better than the one you just smoked, maybe after 2 years you will just hate this cigar. There are so many variables that will affect your perceptions - even your Memmosa or whatever. Where you smoke it, with whom, what time of day, what mood you are in, what you drink, what you had to eat before, etc, etc... It is an awesome experiment but due to the fact YOU are NOT a robot (i hope) and do not have consistency built in you, it might not be a very successful experiment. Mainly due to the time - it is toooo long for reliable data. Yes, that's the point of aging, but I am a bit pessimistic.. Then, I am always a pessimist lol... Anyway - I will be excited to find out results from this. You should have however gone with a slightly "better" cigar. Cheers and good luck!

    A way to help you with things and also keep track of it better is to start a BLOG. Consider doing this and keeping a very detailed journal of every time you smoke. In the blog you should also LOG every other cigar you have smoked. Just a log - no descriptions needed. And also note any changes in your preferences that come up with time. God speed! :)


    Good points. As far as tastes changing from time to time, I don't know anything about that yet. Perhaps I'll learn something I wasn't expecting. Concerning environment, I'll try to keep it the same as usual. The company generally will not change. It's always just me and my patio and occassionally my wife will come out there and read. I am keeping a log through my computer on Microsoft Office Outlook. I actually have appointments scheduled on there for the next 5 years so that I won't forget. There is a spot for my comments and also a reminder to come here and update this message board. As far as selecting a better cigar, I'm considering starting a similar experiment with a better cigar with an annual cigar over 10 years. I'll keep you posted if and when that starts.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 2:03 PM

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    clearlysuspect:


    Good points. As far as tastes changing from time to time, I don't know anything about that yet. Perhaps I'll learn something I wasn't expecting. Concerning environment, I'll try to keep it the same as usual. The company generally will not change. It's always just me and my patio and occassionally my wife will come out there and read. I am keeping a log through my computer on Microsoft Office Outlook. I actually have appointments scheduled on there for the next 5 years so that I won't forget. There is a spot for my comments and also a reminder to come here and update this message board. As far as selecting a better cigar, I'm considering starting a similar experiment with a better cigar with an annual cigar over 10 years. I'll keep you posted if and when that starts.
    Awesome! Wish I could fast forward in time now to see what happens lol...

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  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     08-17-2009, 2:22 PM

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    Renaissance_Man:
    clearlysuspect:


    Good points. As far as tastes changing from time to time, I don't know anything about that yet. Perhaps I'll learn something I wasn't expecting. Concerning environment, I'll try to keep it the same as usual. The company generally will not change. It's always just me and my patio and occassionally my wife will come out there and read. I am keeping a log through my computer on Microsoft Office Outlook. I actually have appointments scheduled on there for the next 5 years so that I won't forget. There is a spot for my comments and also a reminder to come here and update this message board. As far as selecting a better cigar, I'm considering starting a similar experiment with a better cigar with an annual cigar over 10 years. I'll keep you posted if and when that starts.
    Awesome! Wish I could fast forward in time now to see what happens lol...


    Yes me too. I believe this is where the most complex control agent of the experiment comes into play, PATIENCE! LOL
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     09-10-2009, 1:59 PM

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    This is already getting hard. It hasn't even been a month and I already want one of these. I can't imagine if these were a better stick, I'd really be going crazy.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     09-25-2009, 4:27 PM

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    Bump... How's this going :)?

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  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     09-25-2009, 7:01 PM

    I am actually doing my own little experiment in aging. I am basically taking every order I get and splitting it 50/50. Half goes into my aging humi and the other half I smoke. I started to write the dates the smokes go into the humi, that way I won't lose track. Once I have aged them a couple of years, I am going to smoke a new one, and then the aged one and see how they compare.
    "Long ashes my friends"
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     09-25-2009, 10:37 PM

    Just an FYI.... Anything less than 5-10 years technically is just resting.
  • Re: Experimentation in Rest and aging.

     09-26-2009, 12:29 AM

    vankleekkw:
    Just an FYI.... Anything less than 5-10 years technically is just resting.
    That's a pretty rigid time fixture. Not all cigars are going to age the same, and some will hold up to 5 years far better than others. So in that respect, you can't truly fix one length of time as "true aging".

    Related to that, I looked up an article on cigar aging written by Steve Saka of Drew Estates cigars...hopefully the relation to DE doesn't shake his credibility. :) Link

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