Ok, I am looking for some insight here from the vast wealth of knowledge here on this forum. Let me know what you like and dislike about Maduros. Thanks

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I find them to be just like any other cigar, it all depends. I like the strength some of them have, I like the dark wrapper, sometimes they are more complex, but I do not love the strong/overpowering pepperish flavor that I have got off some of them.

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phobicsquirrel:

I do not love the strong/overpowering pepperish flavor that I have got off some of them.

And yet some go to the other end of the spectrum. There is strong and peppery like CAO VR, or smooth, rich and flavorful like the Oliva G, Onyx or Cusano 18. I love maduros! I think they have a flavor and richness that leaves me wanting more.

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I too love the maduro's- have had very few I didn't like

I can't really think of anything I dislike about maduros in general. Like any other wrapper, there are some cigars in that wrapper that I like, and some I don't. My current favorite maduros are probably the Monte Media Noche, Cusano 18 Paired, Sancho Panza Dbl., RP Fusion Dbl., and 5 Vegas Series A.

There have been some maduros that have left me unimpressed, but right now I can't remember what they were.

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from a blenders point of view there are pros and cons to Maduros.

Pros: a nice sweet chocolaty taste.

indifferent: the strength of the tobacco is diminished a bit.

Cons:
there are a few...
the Maduro process is very hard on tobacco. The tobacco is harvested and baled very tightly. the pressure creates heat and the inner leaves begin to cook a bit. since there is no pressure on the outer leaves of the bale the bales are taken apart and rebound every so often to rotate the tobacco so that all of the leaves are cured the same. all of this is very hard on a fragile natural leaf. many leaves of the bale will develop holes or discoloration that is inconsistent with the rest of the bale or it will darken inconsistently in relation to itself. those leaves cannot be used as wrapper leaf because of those imperfections. they then must be either wasted or used in other ways. Traditionally, Maduro leaves are not used in binder and filler (with a few exceptions: Mx2, Triple Maduro...) but this is the other way that inperfect looking maduro leaves can be used.
this brings me to the next "Con"...
the leaf itself must be strong. the stronger the leaf, the less waste you will have from the maduro process. this limmits your choice of leaf a bit. It isnt impossible to maduro anything it just creates more waste and thus less profit. Most often a good Connecticut seed Broadleaf wrapper quality leaf will produce a good maduro, almost regardless of where it is grown. this leaf is thicker and stronger and has a good stretch to it. these are all good qualities when it comes to being a wrapper leaf. on the other side of things a Corojo is fairly thin leaf that does not endure the proscess as well. It is very rare to see a maduro corojo, though they do exist (Camacho Corojo Maduro)

all in all, Maduro cigars are just another form of cigar... and either you like em or you dont.



i do.

and dont confuse Maduro with Oscuro!!



CC blending 101

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... I believe that about sums it up.. Great job Kuzi.

As always kuzi's post is informative and well researched. That about answers your question. However, kuzi, I have to disagree with "you either like them or you don't". Every maduro is different and I do not know many people that like no maduros or like all maduros. Well besides a few snobs that only smoke Davidoffs and Avos.

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are you calling me a snob!? hehe, I can be..

Kuzi, once again your skills with google are fantastic, or unless your head is a hard drive of cigar know-how.. lol

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Every now and then I'll read something that suggests AVOs are all really pricey, but that just hasn't been my experience. The Domaine, which is what I buy, is about $7-8 each, which is in the same range as loads of other cigars.

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urbino:

Every now and then I'll read something that suggests AVOs are all really pricey, but that just hasn't been my experience. The Domaine, which is what I buy, is about $7-8 each, which is in the same range as loads of other cigars.

I agree.. I have always found AVO to be well worth the reasonable price of $7-8, and they are cheaper now than they were ten years ago when crap sold for ten bucks a stick..

Once again, have to agree with Kuzi. And as said, the wrapper isn't everything. I like most of the maduros I've smoked, but not all.

I look at a maduro in much the same way that I look at a cameroon wrapper, that is to say when paired with a good blend, both can be excellent wrapper choices, when paired with a mediocre or bland blend, they can be fairly boring and not worth exploring.

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phobicsquirrel:

Kuzi, once again your skills with google are fantastic, or unless your head is a hard drive of cigar know-how.. lol

a little bit of both. most of that was off the top of my head.... the reference cigars were not, however. I had to look those up (not the triple maduro)

I find that the more i do this cigar thing the less i have to google/yahoo. I also have a very extensive folder in my "favorites" on my browser with tons of pages and articles that i have read over the years of cigar research. Im getting very near to the point of having to take botany classes to learn more. it is fairly hard to find online the things that i want to learn...
such as:
How do different minerals change the taste and in what way?
what minerals are in different soils in different countries?
If all other conditions were the same, would altitude effect the flavor of a tobacco plant?

I am also looking for more information on different strains of tobacco, their flavor profiles, how they were developed.

I am an information sponge when it comes to things like this. ( read: things that i love and have passion about)

madurofan:

However, kuzi, I have to disagree with "you either like them or you don't". Every maduro is different and I do not know many people that like no maduros or like all maduros. Well besides a few snobs that only smoke Davidoffs and Avos.

I agree with your disagreement. I need to be less casual about things like that. There are maduros that I like and maduros that I dont like.

I should have said "either they work on a particular cigar or they dont."

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kuzi16:

I should have said "either they work on a particular cigar or they dont."

Now that I agree with. Speaking of which,kuz, have you seen a maduro of something other than conn seed?

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