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beyond that, is there a point where there is too much power? dont get me wrong, i love a strong cigar and i will probably buy this stick when it comes out but where will it end? i hope the trend for ultra full cigars fades away soon. too many people are missing out of very good cigars because they are buying cigars for the hype.
xmacro:Not sure what you mean by it being only partially true; the MOW Armada has a viso binder, so it's not 100% ligero (this kinda gets me wondering - what's the cut-off for ligero : non-ligero to get combustion?)
Heavy:3. Tell your dog you'll quit smoking cigars when he quits licking his a$$. That'll knock him off his high horse.
xmacro:^ One of many reasons I LOVE the Ccom forums - the insider knowledge and posts like this that give us newbies and amateurs a look into the world of cigar blending.
bigharpoon:I love full-bodied cigars but Kuzi's right, where will it all end? I'm betting that it will continue on and on and cigars will get fuller and fuller, utilizing whatever method or seed they can configure in order to take it even further.
For example (that has nothing to do with cigars but it's analogous), take hot sauce: I also love hot sauce but there are sauces out there that are so freakin' hot that I doubt anybody truly "likes" them. They're not flavorful or complementary to the food at all, they're just mouth burning hot. I think there will be cigars just like this some day.
I have a theory on how a smokers palate progresses over time. Most often they will start by trying and enjoying less intimidating blends. Mild up to medium as they master the art of smoking and the action itself. Drawing, swirling, using the nose. They are not able to differentiate the flavors but rather are able to identify a cigar as one they like or dislike and make some generalizations about the overall flavor but have a hard time picking up individual components. Now the smoker tries ventures into stronger territory, more medium and medium to full bodied cigars. By now he has the basics down on how to smoke and falls in love with all new blends and brands (cursing that he filled his humidor up with all that mild stuff). By now the flavors are more pronounced and through experience, the smoker can more easily identify nuances and things like finish and competing aromas. At this point you know what flavor is, you know what you like and you cant get enough of it. You try everything and really develop a taste for full bodied cigars as you seek out richer and richer flavors. After this stage, you have sworn off mild cigars but then the day comes that you light up a medium or medium to full bodied cigar and you swear it is the best you have ever had. At this time, you realize that the flavor you thought you were detecting was merely the training wheels on the bike. The training wheels are off and you are riding by yourself. You detect all the richness you love in your full bodied blends but in a smooth and non overwhelming format. The lighter body allows allows you palate to zero on literally dozens of aspects in cigars you never thought existed. Now you pick up some rich mild cigars, maybe even stuff you thought you no longer liked and threw out years ago and find new characteristics you never thought the cigar had. You go back to some lesser strength favorites then back to some full bodied. Holy *** you say, you are now pulling even more richness out of the full bodied stuff!! Now you buy a big cabinet humidor, your wife leaves you because you spent your retirement money on cigars and you are really off the races LOL.
I do believe that the idea of mastering flavor is really the pinnacle of cigar enjoyment. Frankly, it is hard to describe in words. It uses all the senses. For those who may not know what I am talking about, I cant describe for you exactly what it is like, but I will tell you, you will know the day you "get it". It is like an epiphany. You will literally go back and resmoke every cigar you have already tried and it will be like you never smoked it before. It did not happen for me until 2003 really.
Alex Svenson: The goal here is to have the thinnest tobaccos on the outside of the bunch and heaviest, thickest leaves in the exact center. The cigar burns hottest at its center so you want the list combustable tobaccos in the hottest spot. It all depends on the blend but even with the ligero in the center, it will still often burn slower despite being the hottest. Ever wonder why a cigar burns like a cone on the foot? This is the reason why, while hotter, the center leaves are actually burning slower giving it the shape. If a buncher were to make a bunch the exact opposite (with the heavy stuff outside and thin stuff inside) you will get what many folks commonly refer to as tunneling where the center leaves burn much faster. So as you can see, here in lies the challenge with all ligero filler or any filler that is all one priming really, you run the risk that the leaves will burn at different rates based on where they are in the cigar and you can end up with all kinds of burn problems.