Cigar 101

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

kuzi16 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:45:17 GMT

ive got one of those in the humidor right now.

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

Fairwind — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:07:23 GMT

Fourtotheflush:
Great Explanation and great debate! I really enjoy NUB's. They turned the cigar industy on its head for the last year or so. Now most other manufacturers are making shorter fatter smokes.

Ive seen a nording, Oliva and a Tatuaje in new short fat sizes.

The best short fatty I have had recently was a R&J Short Churchill when I was in Hong Kong. Liked them so much I bought 4 box - 3 in ea. box for my stay in PI in April. They were the first Cubans I have had that was really better than a Dominican.

Dan

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

kuzi16 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:21:40 GMT

jbs5869:
also, that is a classic sketch kuzi, i want to print it and put it on my fridge to constantly remind me just how difficult it is to roll a cigar lol :)

...and the wrapper is the EASY part. bunching and binding is beyond me.

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

jbs5869 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:23:52 GMT

also, that is a classic sketch kuzi, i want to print it and put it on my fridge to constantly remind me just how difficult it is to roll a cigar lol :)

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

jbs5869 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:22:36 GMT

i smoked a nub habano the other night, i think it was one of the smaller sizes, after drinking a little bit. it completely knocked me on my ass, i had to go outside and sit down on a bench for like 15 minutes. may have been inhaling. either way i remember it had a wonderful taste and i will buy another and smoke when im sober at some point

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

Fourtotheflush — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:36:31 GMT

Great Explanation and great debate! I really enjoy NUB's. They turned the cigar industy on its head for the last year or so. Now most other manufacturers are making shorter fatter smokes.

Ive seen a nording, Oliva and a Tatuaje in new short fat sizes.

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

PuroFreak — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:14:36 GMT

kuzi16:
Fairwind:
kuzi16:
Fairwind:
Nothing to explain, you have a firm grasp on advertising. I have smoked nubs and they're no different except a bigger ring and shorter length. Nothing special about them.

Dan
way to be a cynic.
LOL - not being a cynic, just that after smoking 5 of them, they're a good cigar but nothing world beating. I just happen to like the toro length. I believe it has the right ring size to length for a cigar. Good tobacco will make any cigar taste great regardless of the length. I'll take a 6x60 from Rocky Patel over a nub any day of the week if I want a big fat cigar. Just my taste and opinion of over 30 years of enjoying cigars daily. Dan
you make a point. the sweet spot on cheap tobacco is not as good as the beginning of great tobacco.

the toro also used to be my favorite. but i think now im moving into the lancero and the lonesdale and the corona. better wrapperto filler ratio. it gives the wrapper (the best tobacco in the cigar) a platform to shine on.

I have noticed the same thing, my tastes are moving towards smaller ring cigars. I like a smoke like the Serie V in the big 6x60, because it does have good flavor and burns for a long time, but in the lancero you get to taste more of the wrapper and the flavor is a lot better. I guess it really depends on my mood, but I don't smoke much over a 50 now.

Another point about the Nub, if you look at a Nub, and almost any other cigar, you will see that the Nub has the same number of wraps around the cigar. This is evidence that it was rolled as a short cigar and not rolled at 6 inches, then cut down to just the sweet spot. The concept behind the Nub is a valid theory, if you don't like the taste of the cigar it's not because of the size, but more that you just don't care for the blend.

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

kuzi16 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:51:26 GMT

Fairwind:
kuzi16:
Fairwind:
Nothing to explain, you have a firm grasp on advertising. I have smoked nubs and they're no different except a bigger ring and shorter length. Nothing special about them.

Dan
way to be a cynic.
LOL - not being a cynic, just that after smoking 5 of them, they're a good cigar but nothing world beating. I just happen to like the toro length. I believe it has the right ring size to length for a cigar. Good tobacco will make any cigar taste great regardless of the length. I'll take a 6x60 from Rocky Patel over a nub any day of the week if I want a big fat cigar. Just my taste and opinion of over 30 years of enjoying cigars daily. Dan

you make a point. the sweet spot on cheap tobacco is not as good as the beginning of great tobacco.

the toro also used to be my favorite. but i think now im moving into the lancero and the lonesdale and the corona. better wrapperto filler ratio. it gives the wrapper (the best tobacco in the cigar) a platform to shine on.

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

Fairwind — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:10:40 GMT

kuzi16:
Fairwind:
Nothing to explain, you have a firm grasp on advertising. I have smoked nubs and they're no different except a bigger ring and shorter length. Nothing special about them.

Dan
way to be a cynic.

LOL - not being a cynic, just that after smoking 5 of them, they're a good cigar but nothing world beating.

I just happen to like the toro length. I believe it has the right ring size to length for a cigar.

Good tobacco will make any cigar taste great regardless of the length.

I'll take a 6x60 from Rocky Patel over a nub any day of the week if I want a big fat cigar.

Just my taste and opinion of over 30 years of enjoying cigars daily.

Dan

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

Lasabar — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:26:45 GMT

Hmmmm... That makes allot of sense Kuzi. So now what I'm going to do is cut all my cigars by 1/3 and then use Pectin to glue them all together... and I will make "Mega-Gar"

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

Russ55 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:24:46 GMT

The nubs I've had, just the connecticut, were nothing special for the first half inch and then for about an inch afterward they were great. I assume that was the sweet spot they were talking about. It didn't last as long as a churchill. More like 40-50 minutes. This was the 460 size I think.

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

bbc020 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:47:53 GMT

Thanks to Kuzi for your insight and knowledge on this topic....I learned a bit.

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

bbc020 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:46:55 GMT

jlmarta:
I might be missing out on a good smoke.

A fact: you may never know what you're missing until you try one (or four) for yourself. Regardless of their logic, you may like it!

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

jlmarta — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:54:02 GMT

Well, okay. If you say so, Kuzi. But I'm gonna have to cogitate on it a spell.

I still haven't figured out how to use the 'quote' button to show only a part of the message I'm replying to so you'll have to guess at it, I guess. I don't know what it is with the webmaster on this forum - - everything's got to be so damned complicated. I shouldn't have to learn the html codes and all that BS in order to use this thing.

Oh, well, nobody ever said life had to be easy, I guess.

Marty

Re: Could someone 'splain this to me?

gmill880 — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:55:27 GMT

Yeah it has only to do with the part of the leaf used ...thus the 'sweet spot'...