Vulchor:

Sheriff Puro...I am not JWB, but thanks for talking about me...Im honored. And please refrain from such foul language and personal attacks. I was reciting a comedy routine, not attacking you personally----please try and do the same. I'll drop out as you wish and allow the continued reinforcing of the beliefs of the generally like minded here to continue. True apologies to all I offended with my free speech.

First of all, I'm not the one who said you were the same, but it had crossed my mind many times. You can say you were reciting whatever, but you were talking about the people here and it's rude and uncalled for. Also how is a discussion between two people that don't agree on an issue "reinforcing of the beliefs?" You just don't like to see people have a civil discussion unless they both see things from your point of view. You continualy call views that are the same as yours the voice of reason and sanity. You are the most intollerant person I think I have ever encountered outside of a documentary on the KKK. Not saying you are racist or anything like that, just that you are as intollerant of others beliefs. I don't agree with Laker, or Phobic on most issues, and don't agree with suspect on the issue of unions, but I don't think they are mentally ill or insane. They just have different views. I still respect them as people and try to treat them with respect even if I don't believe in what they are saying. They do the same in even the most heated discussions on here, however you never do. I know I'm not the only one who has had issues with this, but I promise it will be the last I speak of the subject.

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The Obama administration proposed today to set up a new bright and shiney government agency to "study and report on the changing climate." This new agency will be set up and run by the NOAA... But God knows they haven't been skewing their research findings to make sure they get more and more and more government funding... Lord no, that would be lunacy! Just look how credible all the evidence that was presented at the U.N. confrence in Copenhagen... Such stand up people. After all the head of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Rajendra Pachauri, just published a raunchy sex novel with help promoting it from BP, India's largest oil and gas producer... H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E

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PuroFreak:

The Obama administration proposed today to set up a new bright and shiney government agency to "study and report on the changing climate." This new agency will be set up and run by the NOAA... But God knows they haven't been skewing their research findings to make sure they get more and more and more government funding... Lord no, that would be lunacy! Just look how credible all the evidence that was presented at the U.N. confrence in Copenhagen... Such stand up people. After all the head of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Rajendra Pachauri, just published a raunchy sex novel with help promoting it from BP, India's largest oil and gas producer... H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E

We already have dozens of agencies, private and government alike, that monitor and track the changing climate!!! WTF!!! .gov is such a cancer.

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Ok, at this point it really doesn't even matter if we agree or not with the health care package, ( which we now have no clue what it even says) this slaughter rule that has been threatened and suggested by Pelosi, is unconstitutional and probably the most disgraceful way to pass any legislation. It doesn't matter which party uses it, this is wrong. It's not a constitutional tactic, it's a parliamentary procedure rule that goes against everything our government was founded upon.

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PuroFreak:

Ok, at this point it really doesn't even matter if we agree or not with the healthcare package, ( which we now have no clue what it even says) this slaughter rule that has been threatened and suggested by Pelosi, is unconstitutional and probably the most discraceful way to pass any legislation. It doesn't matter which party uses it, this is wrong. It's not a constitutional tactic, it's a parlimentary proceedure rule that goes against everything our government was founded upon.

Please forgive my ignorance but what are you talking about? What is the "slaughter rule"?

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doromath:

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Alex Williams:

PuroFreak:

Ok, at this point it really doesn't even matter if we agree or not with the healthcare package, ( which we now have no clue what it even says) this slaughter rule that has been threatened and suggested by Pelosi, is unconstitutional and probably the most discraceful way to pass any legislation. It doesn't matter which party uses it, this is wrong. It's not a constitutional tactic, it's a parlimentary proceedure rule that goes against everything our government was founded upon.

Please forgive my ignorance but what are you talking about? What is the "slaughter rule"?

The "slaughter rule" is where there is never an actual vote on the bill. Pelosi as speaker of the house deems the bill to have been passed simply because it was passed in the senate, then the house never takes a vote on it. Done deal, the bill goes to the President's desk, he signs it, then we are stuck with whatever the legislation is at the time. Nancy Pelosi is proposing this as a way to force through the health care reform bill so she doesn't have to have the votes on it.

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I know you said it earlier Puro, but do want to point out that this form of "slaughter rule" otherwise known as 'Reconciliation' has been used for decades in Washington and if people care to look it is a tactic long used by the right wing nuts to get things passed as well, not a new idea brought about by Pelosi (why does she blink so d@mn much btw?)

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PuroFreak:

Alex Williams:

PuroFreak:

Ok, at this point it really doesn't even matter if we agree or not with the healthcare package, ( which we now have no clue what it even says) this slaughter rule that has been threatened and suggested by Pelosi, is unconstitutional and probably the most discraceful way to pass any legislation. It doesn't matter which party uses it, this is wrong. It's not a constitutional tactic, it's a parlimentary proceedure rule that goes against everything our government was founded upon.

Please forgive my ignorance but what are you talking about? What is the "slaughter rule"?

The "slaughter rule" is where there is never an actual vote on the bill. Pelosi as speaker of the house deems the bill to have been passed simply because it was passed in the senate, then the house never takes a vote on it. Done deal, the bill goes to the President's desk, he signs it, then we are stuck with whatever the legislation is at the time. Nancy Pelosi is proposing this as a way to force through the health care reform bill so she doesn't have to have the votes on it.

Yeah, as informed as you are, you should know that this rule has been used mostly by your republican friends. I really think you should stop watching fox news buddy. I do agree this health bill is crap though. But it will give people coverage that don't have it and fix some things. http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/13/self-executing-rule/

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PuroFreak:

This new agency will be set up and run by the NOAA... But God knows they haven't been skewing their research findings to make sure they get more and more and more government funding...

You know what goverment agency skews their findings more than anyone else in order to gain more income??? The one I work for, the United States Military. I mean, it's not even hidden. Everyone who has ever served knows that if you don't use your full budget, you'll get your budget cut next year. So just before October, every Chief gets a new desk and a new chair, and a new computer, and a new whatever else they can think of that will bring the spending up to par. Happens every year. It's actually pretty sad too because there are certainly parts of our armed forces that could use the funding more than anyone and they end up going without because some bigd1ck behind a desk is playing the numbers.

phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

Alex Williams:

PuroFreak:

Ok, at this point it really doesn't even matter if we agree or not with the healthcare package, ( which we now have no clue what it even says) this slaughter rule that has been threatened and suggested by Pelosi, is unconstitutional and probably the most discraceful way to pass any legislation. It doesn't matter which party uses it, this is wrong. It's not a constitutional tactic, it's a parlimentary proceedure rule that goes against everything our government was founded upon.

Please forgive my ignorance but what are you talking about? What is the "slaughter rule"?

The "slaughter rule" is where there is never an actual vote on the bill. Pelosi as speaker of the house deems the bill to have been passed simply because it was passed in the senate, then the house never takes a vote on it. Done deal, the bill goes to the President's desk, he signs it, then we are stuck with whatever the legislation is at the time. Nancy Pelosi is proposing this as a way to force through the health care reform bill so she doesn't have to have the votes on it.

Yeah, as informed as you are, you should know that this rule has been used mostly by your republican friends. I really think you should stop watching fox news buddy. I do agree this health bill is crap though. But it will give people coverage that don't have it and fix some things. http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/13/self-executing-rule/

Yeah, but it's been used by Rs and Ds in the past for budget "reconciliation." Not for sweeping new legislation that will create a federal program that will more than double the amount of GDP spent on health care. To use it in this way is absolutely unconstitutional as stated by constitutional experts.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703909804575123512773070080.html?KEYWORDS=Slaughter+house+rules

Luko:

phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

Alex Williams:

PuroFreak:

Ok, at this point it really doesn't even matter if we agree or not with the healthcare package, ( which we now have no clue what it even says) this slaughter rule that has been threatened and suggested by Pelosi, is unconstitutional and probably the most discraceful way to pass any legislation. It doesn't matter which party uses it, this is wrong. It's not a constitutional tactic, it's a parlimentary proceedure rule that goes against everything our government was founded upon.

Please forgive my ignorance but what are you talking about? What is the "slaughter rule"?

The "slaughter rule" is where there is never an actual vote on the bill. Pelosi as speaker of the house deems the bill to have been passed simply because it was passed in the senate, then the house never takes a vote on it. Done deal, the bill goes to the President's desk, he signs it, then we are stuck with whatever the legislation is at the time. Nancy Pelosi is proposing this as a way to force through the health care reform bill so she doesn't have to have the votes on it.

Yeah, as informed as you are, you should know that this rule has been used mostly by your republican friends. I really think you should stop watching fox news buddy. I do agree this health bill is crap though. But it will give people coverage that don't have it and fix some things. http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/13/self-executing-rule/

Yeah, but it's been used by Rs and Ds in the past for budget "reconciliation." Not for sweeping new legislation that will create a federal program that will more than double the amount of GDP spent on health care. To use it in this way is absolutely unconstitutional as stated by constitutional experts.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703909804575123512773070080.html?KEYWORDS=Slaughter+house+rules

And If any of you had taken time to notice, I said it was wrong when either side uses it. I don't care if there is an R or a D attached to their names, the Slaughter rule is wrong. I know you all love to throw out terms like "republican friends" and "Fox News" because you think it demonizes anyone on the political right, but to tell you the truth, I don't care. All it does is show your absolute intolerance of anyone's views but your own. The sad part is you can admit it is wrong, but just because I'm not a left wing liberal you still have to find a way to attack me... Seriously childish and pathetic.

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Vulchor:

I know you said it earlier Puro, but do want to point out that this form of "slaughter rule" otherwise known as 'Reconciliation' has been used for decades in Washington and if people care to look it is a tactic long used by the right wing nuts to get things passed as well, not a new idea brought about by Pelosi (why does she blink so d@mn much btw?)

Actually Vulch (your name doesn't shorten well... Just doesn't sound right. haha) The Slaughter Rule is not known as reconciliation. The Slaughter rule is one tactic to accomplish reconciliation, but there are other ways as well that do not go against our founding documents. As I said, it is wrong when used by both sides, but it has never been used to push such sweeping legislation that will change one sixth of our economy.

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PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

I know you said it earlier Puro, but do want to point out that this form of "slaughter rule" otherwise known as 'Reconciliation' has been used for decades in Washington and if people care to look it is a tactic long used by the right wing nuts to get things passed as well, not a new idea brought about by Pelosi (why does she blink so d@mn much btw?)

Actually Vulch (your name doesn't shorten well... Just doesn't sound right. haha) The Slaughter Rule is not known as reconciliation. The Slaughter rule is one tactic to accomplish reconciliation, but there are other ways as well that do not go against our founding documents. As I said, it is wrong when used by both sides, but it has never been used to push such sweeping legislation that will change one sixth of our economy.

Yep, the Slaughter Rule is not the same debate as Reconciliation (or Wreckonciliation as it is now dubbed, lol). They aren't even voting. Reconciliation was typically used as a vote in order to not need a 60% super majority to pass funding bills. But you still had to vote. The reason they are attempting to use the Slaughter rule is so they don't have to vote. So unbelievably unconstitutional.

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TatuajeVI:

So unbelievably unconstitutional.

its actually one of the reasons why the constitution was set up the way it is....to prevent BS like this.

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kuzi16:

TatuajeVI:

So unbelievably unconstitutional.

its actually one of the reasons why the constitution was set up the way it is....to prevent BS like this.

You are correct Kuz, this is what the Constitution is supposed to protect against, but our current government continues to prove daily that they just don't care what the Constitution says anymore. Both sides of the isle have expanded government beyond the intended bounderies laid out in the constitution and they know there is nothing we can do about it. Just look at the plans for the new health care bill that were released to the public finally today. This will put the IRS in charge of collecting fines on people who don't have health insurance. That's right the IRS... The most useless and ruthless government agency on the planet will now have even MORE control over our daily lives. How could anyone in their right minds possibly think that is a good thing?

Also how could this possibly be considered a deficit reducing bill? The Congressional Budget Office expects the IRS alone will need roughly $10 billion over the next 10 years and nearly 17,000 new employees to meet its new responsibilities under health reform... I truely believe that the current administration thinks that everyone one of us are total morons... We all know how acurate the CBO usually is with there predictions on entitlement programs. How anyone could think this whole deal is good for country just boggles the mind...

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