LOL!!!!!Gmill, thats actually more worthwhile than this debate isnt it? Truth is however....I hijacked it from somewhere and dont even remember where.

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Vulchor:

LOL!!!!!Gmill, thats actually more worthwhile than this debate isnt it? Truth is however....I hijacked it from somewhere and dont even remember where.

LMAO you've got to have your prioritys alligned man LOL !!!

My issue with this story isn't so much the Republican VS Democrat thing, because I really don't care, but if this whole thing was to create jobs, then why wasn't the money spent in the areas with higher unemployment? And why was it mostly spent in higher income areas?

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Vulchor:

Although I cannot say definitively, as I have not done all the research, I would make the initial observation that part of this may be due to the many republicans known for taking a "stance" on non accepting any "hand out money" like this as the reason. I think the real stpry here may be the closed minded politicans not willing to accept money desparetly needed for the people they serve. Or perhaps the unfortunate and oft-uneducated people in these districts who think a vote for a Republican is a vote for god and freedom and a vote for a democrat is a vote for killing babies and helping negroes.

wow.... there are uneducated voters on both sides there buddy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53C2-b8BOLs&feature=related
there are people out there that think that all republicans are evil and if you vote for them you are voting for big rich white guys who wanna hold you down but if you vote for a democrat your voting peace and love and a good time for everyone.
the reality of the matter is, neither negative stereotype (for either party) is totally what is claimed. there may be some elements that make them seem true to those who claim them, but they dont hold much water.


and why do you have to bring RACE into it? this is the second time you bring race into an argument where it was previously unmentioned. are you calling people here racist? if so, do it. if not leave the race talk out of it. you do not know what is in other peoples hearts. dont pretend to.

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PuroFreak:

if this whole thing was to create jobs, then why wasn't the money spent in the areas with higher unemployment? And why was it mostly spent in higher income areas?

i think this is a good question as well.

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Vulchor:

Although I cannot say definitively, as I have not done all the research, I would make the initial observation that part of this may be due to the many republicans known for taking a "stance" on non accepting any "hand out money" like this as the reason. I think the real stpry here may be the closed minded politicans not willing to accept money desparetly needed for the people they serve.

it is not the job of a government to give money to the people. it is the job of a government to give them an environment where their rights are not being violated by anyone so the people can go out and create wealth on thier own. governments cannot create wealth. they can tax it and redistribute it but they cannot create it.

these "closed minded" politicians are saying "no" to socialism. they are saying "no" to violating the rights of the individual. they are saying "no" to the entitlement mentality that this country has. the mentality that everyone owes them something.

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Again Kuzi---I am not calling you are anyone specifically racist. I do understand your need to be the center of attention and feel your stance is always the enlightened and correct one----but this was not talking about you, and suprisingly to you I am sure...not all posts are about you. Dont even get me started on the politicians you are defending and violating the rights of the indivdual. You as someone who claims to believe indivdual rights trump all other things should d@mn well know it is the job of govt. to take away your rights. Thats for Repubs and Dems. We are born free and politicians and govt. and laws simply limit what rights we have. To say that this tax idea is any different violation of rights than tapping into a citizens phone line without warrant is absurd. Dont even say the two are not the same and I am deflecting here, because that is simply a cop out for not having to defend any points which you cannot. And again back to my original point, I didnt call any specific person a racist....I am referring to the millions of bumpkins who blindly follow the republicans for uninformed and moral views instead of knowing sh!t about the facts.....if you can asy that is not what many voters are like then you obviously live in more of a box than I thought.

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Vulchor:

Again Kuzi---I am not calling you are anyone specifically racist. I do understand your need to be the center of attention and feel your stance is always the enlightened and correct one----but this was not talking about you, and suprisingly to you I am sure...not all posts are about you.

no its never EVER been about me. it is about the rights of the individual.

...and i suppose you think all of your view points are 100% right?
of course you think you are right. you SHOULD believe in what you are saying.
much like i should believe in what im saying. this doesnt make me arrogant or an elitist, it makes me passionate. if i didnt believe in what i was saying id be a hypocrite or disingenuous. I dont want to be either.
please leave personal attacks out of it.

Vulchor:

Dont even get me started on the politicians you are defending and violating the rights of the indivdual. You as someone who claims to believe indivdual rights trump all other things should d@mn well know it is the job of govt. to take away your rights. Thats for Repubs and Dems. We are born free and politicians and govt. and laws simply limit what rights we have.

im saying on THIS ISSUE ALONE, i agree with them. you are right. both sides are crap. i have said it many times before but you seem to forget that.

Vulchor:

To say that this tax idea is any different violation of rights than tapping into a citizens phone line without warrant is absurd. Dont even say the two are not the same and I am deflecting here, because that is simply a cop out for not having to defend any points which you cannot.

i agree. the phone taps on US citizens are crap too

Vulchor:

And again back to my original point, I didnt call any specific person a racist....I am referring to the millions of bumpkins who blindly follow the republicans for uninformed and moral views instead of knowing sh!t about the facts....

and all im saying is that there is stupidity on both sides. dont think that only the republicans are dumb. many PEOPLE are dumb. and people exist on both sides

Vulchor:

if you can asy that is not what many voters are like then you obviously live in more of a box than I thought.

i am SURE that there are voters out there that are like that, but to believe that all OR MOST republicans are like that is just as absurd as thinking none are. it is also as absurd as thinking all democrats are stupid and lazy and just want a hand out from the government.

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I agree that race should not have made its way into this topic at all. It had no relation what so ever. If you want to call Republicans racists then you can call Democrats the exact same thing, because I promise you there are just as many people that voted for President Obama because he is black, as there are people who voted against him for the same reason.

Vulchor, I agree with you that the tax is just as much a violation of rights as tapping someones phones without a warrant. The entire stimulous plan along with a goverment run healthcare program are also violations of our rights. I think you agree with Kuzi and myself a lot more than you let on, you just choose to attack the same issues from a different angle. Nobody on here ever said Republicans are great, because they aren't. This last election sucked ass... Nobody voted for a good cadidate, we all just voted for the lesser of 2 evils in our own minds.

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I was happy with my candidate;)

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Vulchor:

I was happy with my candidate;)

I think robin williams would have been a good choice!

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Vulchor:

I was happy with my candidate;)

me too. but he didnt have a chance....

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Rare post for me in this forum. I really think that our options in each election keep getting worse and worse and worse. I'm sick of both parties because neither have produced a candidate that I just really wanted to get out and vote for. There's gotta be some better options out there somewhere.

I want a candidate who's solution to everything isn't SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!

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I want a candidate who is conservative on the national budget and the programs, doesn't cut national defense funding, and is liberal on the moral issues. I'm pretty much a Republican, but I'm not because a woman's right to choose and gay rights are very important to me. As long as the Republican Party sides on their side of the fence on those issues, I'm not voting republican. It's really as simple as that for me.