kuzi16:

ALL 1502 PAGES OF THE HEATH CARE BILL



... how is anyone supposed to read that damn thing?

Exactly the point. From what I've heard, it is so convoluted with self-reference that no layperson, and probably not a lot of people beyond them, could conceivably understand the entire document.

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson

j0z3r:

kuzi16:

ALL 1502 PAGES OF THE HEATH CARE BILL



... how is anyone supposed to read that damn thing?

Exactly the point. From what I've heard, it is so convoluted with self-reference that no layperson, and probably not a lot of people beyond them, could conceivably understand the entire document.

I seriously doubt that most of our congressmen can even read and understand it.

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

Proposed: (see if your Senator will introduce this!)
1. No bill may be more than 20 pages long. It must be written in such language that the average voter can read and understand it over their lunch break.
2. Only amendments directly and obviously related to the main body of the bill may be attached.
3. For every new law passed, or new social program implimented, two existing laws or programs must be repealed or terminated.

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Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (and Explosives!) should be a convenience store - not a government agency.

Ya know, I'm glad only Republicans are in bed with banks and big business. It's so good that the Democrats don't stoop to their level!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/24/house-subpoena-documents-vip-mortgages-members-congress/

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

PuroFreak:

j0z3r:

kuzi16:

ALL 1502 PAGES OF THE HEATH CARE BILL



... how is anyone supposed to read that damn thing?

Exactly the point. From what I've heard, it is so convoluted with self-reference that no layperson, and probably not a lot of people beyond them, could conceivably understand the entire document.

I seriously doubt that most of our congressmen can even read and understand it.

Actually, I heard from somewhere(unfortunately, I don't remember where) that most of them don't understand it. How true this is, I don't know, nor do I have anything to back it up.

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Only real men cut their cigars with the tusks of elephants.- Hugemoose

PuroFreak:

Ya know, I'm glad only Republicans are in bed with banks and big business. It's so good that the Democrats don't stoop to their level!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/24/house-subpoena-documents-vip-mortgages-members-congress/

So no shitty comments on this one about how only Republicans are only looking out for their business deals?? I'm shocked...

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

Of course not....they're all a-sholes which should be destroyed. Some just get a better spot in line.

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Never make a decision, by not making a decision.

But if this was a Republican doing the same thing you guys would jump all over it saying it's just another example of the right being in bed with big business.

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

PuroFreak:

But if this was a Republican doing the same thing you guys would jump all over it saying it's just another example of the right being in bed with big business.

+1

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HAHAHAHHA, even when I say something you want to hear (and truly believe might I add)---you find a way to say I didnt say it in the correct way...because "if it would have been....when you would have....or might have thought....or intimated saying....or lost the point that.....or didnt realize you.....or were uninformed as to the".

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Never make a decision, by not making a decision.

It can't be true, PMSNBC never ran that story, and we all know that Fox is a propaganda arm of the Republican party...

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timb:

Oh, and after I'm done smoking, the cigar nub smells like my beard.

zoom6zoom:

Proposed: (see if your Senator will introduce this!)
1. No bill may be more than 20 pages long. It must be written in such language that the average voter can read and understand it over their lunch break.
2. Only amendments directly and obviously related to the main body of the bill may be attached.
3. For every new law passed, or new social program implimented, two existing laws or programs must be repealed or terminated.

A simpler answer would be term limits on Senators and Congressmen. 1 term for Senators, and 3 for Congressmen, one of which cannot be consecutive.

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timb:

Oh, and after I'm done smoking, the cigar nub smells like my beard.

Barney Frank: "We are Trying on every front to increase the roll of government"

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Kuzi's cigar catalog blending 101 developing your palate

Yeah, let .gov control more of its citizen's lives. Wonderful. Regulate and provide. Two things not written in the Constitution.

Who wants to bet that if this public option goes through, and if any State wants to opt out of it, the State be put on a very short leash by the federal government, especially with Federal grants, stimulus aid, etc...?

There's no such thing as "opting out" without consequence.

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jlzimmerman:

Yeah, let .gov control more of its citizen's lives. Wonderful. Regulate and provide. Two things not written in the Constitution.

Who wants to bet that if this public option goes through, and if any State wants to opt out of it, the State be put on a very short leash by the federal government, especially with Federal grants, stimulus aid, etc...?

There's no such thing as "opting out" without consequence.

It was the same thing that happened with changing the drinking age to 21. The states who wouldn't change it were denied a lot of federal money...

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.