I was looking at the oliva web page and found some interesting information regarding aging and storing of their different wrappers.

It would seem, according to them that maybe we have not been giving out such good advice in these matters. this is an excerpt from the page the link to the web page is at the bottom, makes for some good reading.

Aging ................................................................................................................ Aging is a complex process which requires special attention. While all cigars show some degree of maturity from additional aging, not all cigars age well. A common misconception is that a cigar which was rolled with “new” tobacco will lose its bite and harshness through humidor aging. No amount of humidor aging will mellow “new” or un-cured tobacco. “The best cigars for aging are those which were well balanced and enjoyable to being with.” Proper aging requires a designated humidor which will not be used for daily use. It should have a capacity that exceeds the amount of cigars to be aged by at least 20%. Cigars should be placed in the humidor without cellophane. Allow for space for the head and foot of the cigars evenly. The humidity source should be one that can exceed 70% humidity. Aging cigars should be kept at 70%-79% humidity depending on the thickness of the wrapper. Thicker wrappers require higher levels of humidity. Once desired age is achieved a cigar should be brought to 70% before smoking. Recommended Aging
High Primes (Thicker Wrappers) Maduro/Habano/Corojo/Habano 2000/Criollo/Sumatra/3-7 years
2-3 Primes (Medium Wrappers) Low Primes/Ecuador Connecticut/2-5 years
1st Cut (Thinner Wrappers) USA Connecticut/Cameroon/1-4 years

http://www.olivacigars.com/default.aspx

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I was always under the impression that Maduro was a fermenting process not a species of tabacco plant. Also, thought that the primings were the different layers of the plant, not the species.

vankleekkw:

I was always under the impression that Maduro was a fermenting process not a species of tabacco plant. Also, thought that the primings were the different layers of the plant, not the species.

Indeed it is a fermenting process. I also would never put my humidor at such a high level where it would be so easy to get mold and/or beetle problems. It is my understanding that by the time the cigar is rolled we aren't talking "new" tobacco anyhow and that it has already "aged". The additional humidor "aging" is actually the flavors blending.

Interesting find though, for sure.

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Steve

Maduro is a process, but it is only possible with the thicker leaves, so the lower primings. It is very hard on the leaves, so they have to be thick before the process is worth trying.

Nice post there laker. Good info, though I do notice difference in letting cigars sit over a period of months/years vs what they were like when they first came to my possession.

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One2gofst:

vankleekkw:

I was always under the impression that Maduro was a fermenting process not a species of tabacco plant. Also, thought that the primings were the different layers of the plant, not the species.

Indeed it is a fermenting process. I also would never put my humidor at such a high level where it would be so easy to get mold and/or beetle problems. It is my understanding that by the time the cigar is rolled we aren't talking "new" tobacco anyhow and that it has already "aged". The additional humidor "aging" is actually the flavors blending.

Interesting find though, for sure.

the primings that are discussed in the oliva article are what primings are used as wrapper leaf (generally speaking) from those types of tobacco. does that make more sense?


i also disagree with the 71-79% RH thing. tobacco beetles can start to fly at 75% rH. and mold starts in at about 78%.
god forbid your temp goes up.

i do have an aging humidor. i open it maybe once a week. its at 65%. i have pulled some good smokes out of there after a year or two and they taste great.

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well since humi's capacity is measured in Cuban cigars maybe they meant 71-79 CUBAN rh/degrees ...I'm sorry ...had to do it !!!

gmill880:

well since humi's capacity is measured in Cuban cigars maybe they meant 71-79 CUBAN rh/degrees ...I'm sorry ...had to do it !!!

Uh-huh...So how come I knew it would be you who "had to do it"? LOL

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laker1963:

gmill880:

well since humi's capacity is measured in Cuban cigars maybe they meant 71-79 CUBAN rh/degrees ...I'm sorry ...had to do it !!!

Uh-huh...So how come I knew it would be you who "had to do it"? LOL

Because you have the same warped sense of humor Doug !!!

gmill880:

laker1963:

gmill880:

well since humi's capacity is measured in Cuban cigars maybe they meant 71-79 CUBAN rh/degrees ...I'm sorry ...had to do it !!!

Uh-huh...So how come I knew it would be you who "had to do it"? LOL

Because you have the same warped sense of humor Doug !!!

lol...

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Aging seems to have quite a bit of "how to" involved. i was under the impression that high temps for long periods would promote beetle hatching, whereas hi humi would promote mold...

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It's somewhat a combination of the two Hawk. Low temp and high humidity won't be as hospitable to mold or beetles as a high temp, high humidity environment, the same can be said about a low humidity, high temp situation.

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Yea I've noticed genrally that almost all consumers disagree with almost all manufacturers on "aging". If I've learned anthing in my 5000+ posts here its that aging, storing, cigars in general are personal.

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madurofan:

Yea I've noticed genrally that almost all consumers disagree with almost all manufacturers on "aging". If I've learned anthing in my 5000+ posts here its that aging, storing, cigars in general are personal.

I agree. I don't get real exotic in my aging. I have two humidors for regular smokes. When I get an order, I split it in half and put some in each humi. I smoke out of one and leave the other to age. I leave them rest in the smoking one for at least two weeks to a few months. The aging humi holds them for much longer, maybe a year or so depending on how many I smoke out of the smoking humi.

I also have a small humidor for flavored cigars and I think I read here or someplace that flavored cigars don't age, so I just smoke them when I feel that I want a flavored smoke.

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“A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores.” – M*A*S*H, Klinger

I found the info. interesting in many area's. One in particular about the RH/TEMP. for aging sticks. It does make some logical sense since the aging process is really just more curing of the tobacco's which would logically need slightly elevated temps. and moisture (RH) for the process to continue.

It made sense to me, and I assumed the Oliva folks must be very certain that they have already erradicated the beetle problem. I mean think about it... would a Cigar Manufacturer of their calibre and status risk losing their reputation and SALES by having erronious information on their web page regarding the care and storage of their cigars?

I've got some Series V Maduro's coming from a double box split / trade with Pheebs. I think I will set a few aside and give them the OLIVA treatment.

It will be a while before I report back on this so, it probablly won't be much help to most members here today.

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