laker1963:

The fact that she stayed, went to court and even had the smoker moved from their home (if they wanted to continue to smoke) tells me that this is about her rights over the collective rights of the other tenants.

people have a right to life. ... not a right to live where ever they want. she has no "right" to live in that particular apartment unit. she CHOSE to live there ...TWICE. she is renting a good or service from another. nobody has a right to a good or service. you only have a right to pursue that good or service.


so though we are on the same side of this issue (that shes an idiot) we are there for different reasons.

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kuzi16:

thanks for fixing that.... it was a ton of bold... ha!

i guess his hands had to have been tied at some point.

... though they shouldnt have been.

You know what? This brings up a good point about our discussions.
I think after some reflection that I know why sometimes we seem so opposed to each other's positions on some things.

When I talk with my son, who is a little younger then you Kuzi, I find that he speaks from a position of the way things aught to be while I speak from the position of the way I see things as they are now in the world.(not saying I see things right, while he see things wrong)

It isn't that I disagree with his beliefs or feelings on a certain matter. It's just that from our different perspectives it can appear that way. Once we have discussed the issues and smooth over the contentious points, we usually find that we believe pretty much the same things, but we approach the solution to these things differently.

In this case, where you see this as a owner's rights thing, (AND i AGREE IT SHOULD BE) I tended to focus on the womans' rights being given priority over the collective rights of the other tenants and the building owner.

We don't disagree, but our perspectives and our method of explaining our positions can seem to be disagreement. I wonder how often this happens in other discussions we have, as well?

Oh yeah and that formatting thing is a pain. I wish someone would start a thread in which people who know how to format post' could leave little pointers to those of us who can't do it to save our lives ! :)

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laker1963:

kuzi16:

thanks for fixing that.... it was a ton of bold... ha!

i guess his hands had to have been tied at some point.

... though they shouldnt have been.

You know what? This brings up a good point about our discussions.
I think after some reflection that I know why sometimes we seem so opposed to each other's positions on some things.

When I talk with my son, who is a little younger then you Kuzi, I find that he speaks from a position of the way things aught to be while I speak from the position of the way I see things as the are now in the world.

It isn't that I disagree with his beliefs or feelings on a certain matter. It's just that from our different perspectives it can appear that way. Once we have discussed the issues and smooth over the contentious issues, we usually find that we believe pretty much the same things, but we approach the solution to these things differently.

In this case where you see this as a owner's rights thing, (AND i AGREE IT SHOULD BE) I tended to focus on the womans' rights being given priority over the collective rights of the other tenants and the building owner.

We don't disagree, but our perspectives and our method of explaining our positions can seem to be disagreement. I wonder how often this happens in other discussions we have, as well?

Oh yeah and that formatting thing is a pain. I wish someone would start a thread in which people who know how to format post' could leave little pointers to those of us who can't do it to save our lives ! :)

i can see this point.

i DO tend to view societal issues as how they should be...
i do know that things are not perfect. i look at equal individual rights as a perfection that will never be realized but should always be worked for. i do wholly believe that man should be free to do as they see fit to run their lives so long as their actions do not violate the right of others to run their lives they way they see fit. the only roll of the government in this perfect scenario is for the government to uphold those individual rights and never violate the rights of anyone, no matter how small the minority.

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laker1963:

I wish someone would start a thread in which people who know how to format post' could leave little pointers to those of us who can't do it to save our lives ! :)

... and make it a stickey...

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kuzi16:

laker1963:

kuzi16:

thanks for fixing that.... it was a ton of bold... ha!

i guess his hands had to have been tied at some point.

... though they shouldnt have been.

You know what? This brings up a good point about our discussions.
I think after some reflection that I know why sometimes we seem so opposed to each other's positions on some things.

When I talk with my son, who is a little younger then you Kuzi, I find that he speaks from a position of the way things aught to be while I speak from the position of the way I see things as the are now in the world.

It isn't that I disagree with his beliefs or feelings on a certain matter. It's just that from our different perspectives it can appear that way. Once we have discussed the issues and smooth over the contentious issues, we usually find that we believe pretty much the same things, but we approach the solution to these things differently.

In this case where you see this as a owner's rights thing, (AND i AGREE IT SHOULD BE) I tended to focus on the womans' rights being given priority over the collective rights of the other tenants and the building owner.

We don't disagree, but our perspectives and our method of explaining our positions can seem to be disagreement. I wonder how often this happens in other discussions we have, as well?

Oh yeah and that formatting thing is a pain. I wish someone would start a thread in which people who know how to format post' could leave little pointers to those of us who can't do it to save our lives ! :)

i can see this point.

i DO tend to view societal issues as how they should be...
i do know that things are not perfect. i look at equal individual rights as a perfection that will never be realized but should always be worked for. i do wholly believe that man should be free to do as they see fit to run their lives so long as their actions do not violate the right of others to run their lives they way they see fit. the only roll of the government in this perfect scenario is for the government to uphold those individual rights and never violate the rights of anyone, no matter how small the minority.

Ok that's it Kuzi. We have just agreed on two things on the same day in very short order. I think it's time to get off here now, before one of us thinks of something else to talk about. Cause it's inevitable that we will find something to argue over LMAO.

Good discussion Kuzi. Thank you.

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no no... thank you.

wanna fight about it? !?!?

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kuzi16:

no no... thank you.

wanna fight about it? !?!?

I thought you weren't a fighter?

So YES I wanna fight about it !LMAO

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laker1963:

kuzi16:

no no... thank you.

wanna fight about it? !?!?

I thought you weren't a fighter?

So YES I wanna fight about it !LMAO

in that case i dont wanna fight about it.

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Ok, seriously, this has got to be the biggest joke I've ever heard of. The validity of the Nobel Peace Price was seriously injured when Al Gore won it, but with the award going to President Obama for 2009, it is officially dead. The Nobel Peace prize is supposed to go to someone who has made major accomplishments that have helped the world and President Obama has done nothing to help the world... If you call the government taking over the auto industry and raising taxes on tobacco products helping the world, then he has done a lot... Other than that... No so much. The Nobel Peace Prize has become a lame political award that has absolutely no meaning... Who's next? Hugo Chavez?

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Really?

absurd decision on Obama makes a mockery of the Nobel peace prize

"Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent..."

"...the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace."

"The pretext for the prize was Mr Obama’s decision to “strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples”. Many people will point out that, while the President has indeed promised to “reset” relations with Russia and offer a fresh start to relations with the Muslim world, there is little so far to show for his fine words. "

There is a further irony in offering a peace prize to a president whose principal preoccupation at the moment is when and how to expand the war in Afghanistan

"The achievements of all previous winners have been diminished. "

Analysis: He won, but for what?

"...in office less than nine months — and only for 12 days before the Nobel nomination deadline last February..."

"The prize seems to be more for Obama's promise than for his performance. Work on the president's ambitious agenda, both at home and abroad, is barely underway, much less finished. He has no standout moment of victory that would seem to warrant a verdict as sweeping as that issued by the Nobel committee."

"And what about peace? Obama is running two wars in the Muslim world — in Iraq and Afghanistan "

"He has pushed for new efforts to make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. But he's received little cooperation from the two sides."

"And what about Obama's global prestige? It seemed to take a big hit last week when he jetted across the Atlantic to lobby for Chicago to get the 2016 Olympics — and was rejected with a last-place finish."

"The Nobel committee, it seems, had the audacity to hope that he'll eventually produce a record worthy of its prize."


Nobel Committee's Decision Courts Controversy

""So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far," former Polish President Lech Walesa, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983"

"It is just too soon," said Siv Jensen, leader of Norway's main opposition party, the Progress Party. "It is wrong to give him the peace prize for his ambition. You should receive it for results."

"They've (The Nobel committee) also been slammed for their omissions. Mahatma Gandhi, the iconic leader of the Indian independence movement and a symbol of nonviolence, never won the Nobel, though he was nominated five times."




Obama and not Gandhi? seriously? the Nobel Peace prize is a joke.




... I thought it was bad when Al Goer won it for GLOBAL WARMING.

I hope i never win the Nobel Peace Prize.

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kuzi16:

I hope i never win the Nobel Peace Prize.

...not that i have to worry about getting nominated or anything...

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kuzi16:

kuzi16:

I hope i never win the Nobel Peace Prize.

...not that i have to worry about getting nominated or anything...

I don't know, it looks like they'll take just about anybody these days. Don't be so sure about that, lol.

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i keep double posting.... how?

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Matt Marvel:

kuzi16:

kuzi16:

I hope i never win the Nobel Peace Prize.

...not that i have to worry about getting nominated or anything...

I don't know, it looks like they'll take just about anybody these days. Don't be so sure about that, lol.

no.. i dont have the right qualifications.
i do not promote a socialist/fascist agenda
I do not suck up to dominating dictators like Chavez.
i dont want to force people to "go green"
im not considering not funding my army that is in a country where if the military loses an oppressive Islamo-fascist group will move in, kill every one it doesnt like and force its religious beliefs on everyone while simultaneously destroying anything from other religions

so no... i will never be nominated for a peace prize.
...im not peaceful enough.

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kuzi16:

Matt Marvel:

kuzi16:

kuzi16:

I hope i never win the Nobel Peace Prize.

...not that i have to worry about getting nominated or anything...

I don't know, it looks like they'll take just about anybody these days. Don't be so sure about that, lol.

no.. i dont have the right qualifications.
i do not promote a socialist/fascist agenda
I do not suck up to dominating dictators like Chavez.
i dont want to force people to "go green"
im not considering not funding my army that is in a country where if the military loses an oppressive Islamo-fascist group will move in, kill every one it doesnt like and force its religious beliefs on everyone while simultaneously destroying anything from other religions

so no... i will never be nominated for a peace prize.
...im not peaceful enough.

Haha, touche.

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