phobicsquirrel:

well I do know that your moral compass is all f'd up.

taking something from someone by force to give it to someone else is ok with you?

if i go to my rich neighbor and tell them to give me $1000 for a medical procedure or i will take him to my basement and lock him up, i would be put in jail. but if the government does the same thing its OK?
fines and jail time for not getting health care

phobicsquirrel:

Your the one cussing at people

in all fairness i would be fairly pissed if someone just called me racist.

phobicsquirrel:

and saying it's more than fine for people to be without basic health care coverage essentially being okay with thousands of people dying.

no we are saying that the system can be fixed without a government take over of health care. costs can be lowered without oppressive regulation. and that if people actually dont want insurance, they dont have to buy it. (above link covers this too)

phobicsquirrel:

According to you people shouldn't have protection from large companies taking advantage of them.

that is not at all what i am saying. i am saying that a company should not be punished if they do not violate the rights of the individual.

phobicsquirrel:

And you obviously seem to be fine with calling people stupid for not leaving during Katrina.

some were stupid. they had the chance, passed on it, and now they have to live with their decision. some were smart, got out, some were unable to go anywhere. some stayed and were part of the rebuilding and clean up from the day after it hit.

phobicsquirrel:

I remember seeing the evacuation of that city and it was chaos!

i wish the mayor would have let those buses out to shuttle people away...

phobicsquirrel:

Things outside your world are very different and many aren't as well off as you...

on that note...
i just chose to forgo a medicine because it was to expensive.
my insurance is very expensive. im considering dropping it because the cost sucks.
the government still should not take it over. there are other things that can make it cheaper. Im actually looking into catastrophic coverage only. ...everything else by cash. should work out cheaper in the long haul.

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Vulchor:

PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Why dont any of you have the balls to say that Ft. Hood is worse because it was good men serving this country, prominently white and killed by a Muslim. Katrina was bad...but mainly because of all the money wasted after to help the same dumb, lazy, nig*ers who dont contribute anything to society but welfare checks. And to say none of you were basically on that line of thought I call you liars. Thats the difference in the two, lets not mince words when it comes to conservative response to the poor, minorities, and underclasses- -----Gays too, but Ill save Sen. Craig and my fine Gov. Crist for another debate on hypocritical people lacking in moral fortitude.

All I can even say to this is F*CK YOU! You don't know a goddamn thing about me or what I think about people. You don't even know what you're talking about you pretentious little pr*ck!

Whos calling names now? I dont think I was talking about you directly---sorry if it hit a nerve for some reason---sometimes truth or something close to home will do that....but please watch the name calling Sheriff.

so who were you talking about? there were a very limited number of people discussing this here.
pulling the race card here is dirty.
Vulchor, in this forum, you were the first person to bring up race. you were the first person to bring up that he was a muslim. who has race on their mind?
and then you doubled down on the racist card with your last post. if you didnt call him a racist in the earlier post, you sure as heck did in your last post.

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Squirrel, I think its time we followed Lakers great advice in another post....its time to allow the speech to go on and to drop out. Wise man once said...."Ignorance allows you to speak without error." Some people know truth, and others know their truth. A few thousand years ago the world was flat remember, and given a long enough life span----people would still be arguing it was true. Unfortunately, these boards are not about a true debate of the ideas, or keeping minds open.......its about people reinforcing others beliefs and telling each other how right they each are to stroke each others egos.

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Never make a decision, by not making a decision.

no seriously, who is racist?

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Vulchor:

PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Why dont any of you have the balls to say that Ft. Hood is worse because it was good men serving this country, prominently white and killed by a Muslim. Katrina was bad...but mainly because of all the money wasted after to help the same dumb, lazy, nig*ers who dont contribute anything to society but welfare checks. And to say none of you were basically on that line of thought I call you liars. Thats the difference in the two, lets not mince words when it comes to conservative response to the poor, minorities, and underclasses- -----Gays too, but Ill save Sen. Craig and my fine Gov. Crist for another debate on hypocritical people lacking in moral fortitude.

All I can even say to this is F*CK YOU! You don't know a goddamn thing about me or what I think about people. You don't even know what you're talking about you pretentious little pr*ck!

Whos calling names now? I dont think I was talking about you directly---sorry if it hit a nerve for some reason---sometimes truth or something close to home will do that....but please watch the name calling Sheriff.

You were responding to a statement I made. You can sit here and say that wasn't directed at anyone here, but that's a load of sh*t. You called me a racist and I promise you I do more to help people of every color, race, and sexual orientation in a day then you do in a fucking year. Don't lecture me about my moral compass when you accuse me and others here of racism when you don't know a goddamn thing about me. I stand by my reply to this and I don't give two shits who doesn't like it.

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

I am not adding to the fire or even debating again...however, you dont know what I do for a living and despite the fact you may be part of your local LE....I assure you I do as much or more for people that you do in your profession and the people here that do know my job can vouch for this------and I dont even give speeding tickets.

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Vulchor:

I am not adding to the fire or even debating again...

convenient

Vulchor:

however, you dont know what I do for a living and despite the fact you may be part of your local LE....I assure you I do as much or more for people that you do in your profession and the people here that do know my job can vouch for this------and I dont even give speeding tickets.

and WE sound arrogant?

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Kuzi Pm

kuzi16:

Vulchor:

I am not adding to the fire or even debating again...

convenient

Vulchor:

however, you dont know what I do for a living and despite the fact you may be part of your local LE....I assure you I do as much or more for people that you do in your profession and the people here that do know my job can vouch for this------and I dont even give speeding tickets.

and WE sound arrogant?

I wouldn't say that just selfish and self centered.

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phobicsquirrel:

kuzi16:

Vulchor:

I am not adding to the fire or even debating again...

convenient

Vulchor:

however, you dont know what I do for a living and despite the fact you may be part of your local LE....I assure you I do as much or more for people that you do in your profession and the people here that do know my job can vouch for this------and I dont even give speeding tickets.

and WE sound arrogant?

I wouldn't say that just selfish and self centered.

If standing on the side of liberty and freedom of the individual is selfish, then you're goddamn right I am selfish. Selfishly hope for everyone in this country to be free and have choices in life.

Before you even go there, I'm not against gay marriage and I'm not a big right to life nut. And before you attack me with some assault on the religious right, I'm not a religious person at all. I'm sorry I don't fit your mold for a right wing nut job, but I'm sure you are creative and artistic enough to find some other way to bash people. Keep up the good work.

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

PuroFreak:

phobicsquirrel:

kuzi16:

Vulchor:

I am not adding to the fire or even debating again...

convenient

Vulchor:

however, you dont know what I do for a living and despite the fact you may be part of your local LE....I assure you I do as much or more for people that you do in your profession and the people here that do know my job can vouch for this------and I dont even give speeding tickets.

and WE sound arrogant?

I wouldn't say that just selfish and self centered.

If standing on the side of liberty and freedom of the individual is selfish, then you're goddamn right I am selfish. Selfishly hope for everyone in this country to be free and have choices in life.

Before you even go there, I'm not against gay marriage and I'm not a big right to life nut. And before you attack me with some assault on the religious right, I'm not a religious person at all. I'm sorry I don't fit your mold for a right wing nut job, but I'm sure you are creative and artistic enough to find some other way to bash people. Keep up the good work.

liberty and freedom? So where does not protecting people from being gouged or dropped from healthcare or being denied due to an illness play into that? Where does protecting business's over American lives become freedom? One of the responsibilities of government is life and liberty and what is going on and has been going on is not that. I know your for a business over a person but that isn't freedom.

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phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

phobicsquirrel:

kuzi16:

Vulchor:

I am not adding to the fire or even debating again...

convenient

Vulchor:

however, you dont know what I do for a living and despite the fact you may be part of your local LE....I assure you I do as much or more for people that you do in your profession and the people here that do know my job can vouch for this------and I dont even give speeding tickets.

and WE sound arrogant?

I wouldn't say that just selfish and self centered.

If standing on the side of liberty and freedom of the individual is selfish, then you're goddamn right I am selfish. Selfishly hope for everyone in this country to be free and have choices in life.

Before you even go there, I'm not against gay marriage and I'm not a big right to life nut. And before you attack me with some assault on the religious right, I'm not a religious person at all. I'm sorry I don't fit your mold for a right wing nut job, but I'm sure you are creative and artistic enough to find some other way to bash people. Keep up the good work.

liberty and freedom? So where does not protecting people from being gouged or dropped from healthcare or being denied due to an illness play into that? Where does protecting business's over American lives become freedom? One of the responsibilities of government is life and liberty and what is going on and has been going on is not that. I know your for a business over a person but that isn't freedom.

You couldn't be farther from the truth actually. I am, as Kuzi is, for right of the individual. The government forcing us to take part in their insurance plan is NOT freedom. The government forcing us to buy ANY insurance, from them or a private company, is not freedom. The government taking my money and money from everyone else to pay for health care for the masses, is NOT FREEDOM!

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

PuroFreak:

phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

phobicsquirrel:

kuzi16:

Vulchor:

I am not adding to the fire or even debating again...

convenient

Vulchor:

however, you dont know what I do for a living and despite the fact you may be part of your local LE....I assure you I do as much or more for people that you do in your profession and the people here that do know my job can vouch for this------and I dont even give speeding tickets.

and WE sound arrogant?

I wouldn't say that just selfish and self centered.

If standing on the side of liberty and freedom of the individual is selfish, then you're goddamn right I am selfish. Selfishly hope for everyone in this country to be free and have choices in life.

Before you even go there, I'm not against gay marriage and I'm not a big right to life nut. And before you attack me with some assault on the religious right, I'm not a religious person at all. I'm sorry I don't fit your mold for a right wing nut job, but I'm sure you are creative and artistic enough to find some other way to bash people. Keep up the good work.

liberty and freedom? So where does not protecting people from being gouged or dropped from healthcare or being denied due to an illness play into that? Where does protecting business's over American lives become freedom? One of the responsibilities of government is life and liberty and what is going on and has been going on is not that. I know your for a business over a person but that isn't freedom.

You couldn't be farther from the truth actually. I am, as Kuzi is, for right of the individual. The government forcing us to take part in their insurance plan is NOT freedom. The government forcing us to buy ANY insurance, from them or a private company, is not freedom. The government taking my money and money from everyone else to pay for health care for the masses, is NOT FREEDOM!

Sounds a lot like more freedom for the masses at the expense of some freedoms of the few. That could be called freedom as much as what is in effect now. Just different people profiting from the pool of money.

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So how is the government stripping us of our rights to choose our own way to pay for our health care freedom at all? It isn't freedom, it's tyranny. And don't misunderstand me, I do not think things are working just fine the way they are, I do think changes need to be made. Just NOT IN A GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER. Why is that always the answer you get from the left. If something isn't working just right, the government will take over and REALLY f*ck it up.

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Jason
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

Damn it passed... my f***ing taxes are about to go up again. And the best part no one I know will be getting s**t for it!
F**k!!!!!

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