Language now folks, lets keep it civil. Lol, what a way to spend my morning,

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Vulchor:

I forgot---thats the past, cant talk about it. How convienent, especially for the folks in Iraq.

I AGREED WITH YOU THAT BUSH SUCKED!!!
the topic at hand is Obama. we can discuss how bad bush sucked on a thread that is about how bush sucked.

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Ok----lets have a drink....Im done arguing today.

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Vulchor:

Language now folks, lets keep it civil. Lol, what a way to spend my morning,

keep it civil?
you call calling 40% of the population racist civil?

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...still ignoring that obama has a fascist mind set.

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Kuzi's cigar catalog blending 101 developing your palate

I think that gmill is correct about the "tolerance" issues, the political debate on the forums lately has started to get a little out of hand, and I think that we all need to remember something...

Everyone has their own opinions about what is right and wrong, good and bad, and what should and should not be or have been done, and everyone's opinions of such things will be different. We are all adults here. We shouldn't resort to name-calling and finger-pointing and calling others liars or generally disrespecting other forum members, no matter how much they might disagree with your fundamental moral principles.

I cannot tell anyone what to do, but as for myself, I will argue my point of view with grace and dignity, and when someone disagrees with me, I will respect their position but agree to disagree. After all, we smoke cigars for Christ's sake, why can't we discuss these things with some class?

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kuzi16:

Vulchor:

kuzi16:

Vulchor:

Didnt say you GMill or Kuzi----but to say that what I spouted off wasnt true for a good number of people here and conversatives around the country is the same kind of turn your head while the $hit hits the fan and ignore the truth attitude that has turned a strong Republican party into a breeding ground of hate, intolerance, and backward thinkers....and of course the religious whackos which pull the strings of those same closeminded homophobes we're speaking of. But cheers to all of you who dont feel this was...Im sure you all "have a ton of black friends, I love black people" as Eddie Murphy would've said about whities afraid to say what they really feel.

Obama has a Fascist mindset. Ignore that truth.

What no link, with (slanted) factual evidence???

are you fucking serious? how about you back up a SINGLE thing you say. EVER. and what part of regulating everything is not fascist? please tell me that. quit turning your head and ignoring that truth.

HA! without govt regulating large business's we would be toast (oh wait you think the health insurance companies aren't doing anything wrong). Govt is still able to stand in their way. I know as a libertarian you have this slanted view towards it but sadly large companies do control the govt, though not completely yet. You can post all the links you want but the huge shift in this country that were post 70's to now shows and proves that the reagonomics pushed through this country as well as the Margret thatcher in Europe that relying on the top to regulate itself does not work. Sure they can make record money but it isn't solid and it crashes. I won't disagree that there are corporate masters in govt and probably behind Obama since he's backed down a bit on things he was pushing on the campaign.

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phobicsquirrel:

HA! without govt regulating large business's we would be toast

the only regulation needed is to protect the individual from having their rights violated.

phobicsquirrel:

...You can post all the links you want...

i will. :)

phobicsquirrel:

the reagonomics pushed through this country as well as the Margret thatcher in Europe that relying on the top to regulate itself does not work. Sure they can make record money but it isn't solid and it crashes.

capitalist systems have ups and downs. Socialist systems have a slow and steady decline.


Ultimately, our choice is to give up Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality, even today. If you think government should "do something" about anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom.

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You and I and any rational person knows that big business controls govt. and theu runs everythin---we have no say and no voice, business and money run our lives, you and I only see that I guess Squirrel. Of course, we are socialists for saying that corporations shouldnt be allowed to make profit at any cost----so I guess Hail Lenin.

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Vulchor:

You and I and any rational person knows that big business controls govt. and theu runs everythin---we have no say and no voice, business and money run our lives,

you do have a voice.
its your pocketbook. dont spend money at companies that you dont like.

Vulchor:

Of course, we are socialists for saying that corporations shouldnt be allowed to make profit at any cost----so I guess Hail Lenin.

not profit at any cost. profit while not violating the rights of the individual. how many times do i need to say that before you understand that its not "at any cost"?
giving up your individual rights is way to costly. those businesses that violate the rights of others should be punished. those who dont should not be regulated.

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Vulchor:

Why dont any of you have the balls to say that Ft. Hood is worse because it was good men serving this country, prominently white and killed by a Muslim. Katrina was bad...but mainly because of all the money wasted after to help the same dumb, lazy, nig*ers who dont contribute anything to society but welfare checks. And to say none of you were basically on that line of thought I call you liars. Thats the difference in the two, lets not mince words when it comes to conservative response to the poor, minorities, and underclasses- -----Gays too, but Ill save Sen. Craig and my fine Gov. Crist for another debate on hypocritical people lacking in moral fortitude.

All I can even say to this is F*CK YOU! You don't know a goddamn thing about me or what I think about people. You don't even know what you're talking about you pretentious little pr*ck!

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PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Why dont any of you have the balls to say that Ft. Hood is worse because it was good men serving this country, prominently white and killed by a Muslim. Katrina was bad...but mainly because of all the money wasted after to help the same dumb, lazy, nig*ers who dont contribute anything to society but welfare checks. And to say none of you were basically on that line of thought I call you liars. Thats the difference in the two, lets not mince words when it comes to conservative response to the poor, minorities, and underclasses- -----Gays too, but Ill save Sen. Craig and my fine Gov. Crist for another debate on hypocritical people lacking in moral fortitude.

All I can even say to this is F*CK YOU! You don't know a goddamn thing about me or what I think about people. You don't even know what you're talking about you pretentious little pr*ck!

well I do know that your moral compass is all f'd up. Your the one cussing at people, and saying it's more than fine for people to be without basic health care coverage essentially being okay with thousands of people dying. You called me lazy because I don't do enough to find coverage, which is far, far from the truth. According to you people shouldn't have protection from large companies taking advantage of them. And you obviously seem to be fine with calling people stupid for not leaving during Katrina. Which is a very skewed view. I remember seeing the evacuation of that city and it was chaos! Things outside your world are very different and many aren't as well off as you, but that's fine, just as long as Puro is okay. Maybe leaving that selfish cave of yours you may see that not everyone is as fortunate.

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kuzi16:

phobicsquirrel:

HA! without govt regulating large business's we would be toast

the only regulation needed is to protect the individual from having their rights violated.

phobicsquirrel:

...You can post all the links you want...

i will. :)

phobicsquirrel:

the reagonomics pushed through this country as well as the Margret thatcher in Europe that relying on the top to regulate itself does not work. Sure they can make record money but it isn't solid and it crashes.

capitalist systems have ups and downs. Socialist systems have a slow and steady decline.


Ultimately, our choice is to give up Utopian quests or give up our freedom. This has been recognized for centuries by some, but many others have not yet faced that reality, even today. If you think government should "do something" about anything that ticks you off, or anything you want and don't have, then you have made your choice between Utopia and freedom.

Freedom? yeah let companies dictate that. Wall street couldn't even make money by really making money, they made sh*t up. Companies making money of the death of people is not freedom. In reality there really is no Freedom, only perceptions of it.

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bacon.jay:

I think that gmill is correct about the "tolerance" issues, the political debate on the forums lately has started to get a little out of hand, and I think that we all need to remember something...

Everyone has their own opinions about what is right and wrong, good and bad, and what should and should not be or have been done, and everyone's opinions of such things will be different. We are all adults here. We shouldn't resort to name-calling and finger-pointing and calling others liars or generally disrespecting other forum members, no matter how much they might disagree with your fundamental moral principles.

I cannot tell anyone what to do, but as for myself, I will argue my point of view with grace and dignity, and when someone disagrees with me, I will respect their position but agree to disagree. After all, we smoke cigars for Christ's sake, why can't we discuss these things with some class?

Very well put Bacon Jay

PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Why dont any of you have the balls to say that Ft. Hood is worse because it was good men serving this country, prominently white and killed by a Muslim. Katrina was bad...but mainly because of all the money wasted after to help the same dumb, lazy, nig*ers who dont contribute anything to society but welfare checks. And to say none of you were basically on that line of thought I call you liars. Thats the difference in the two, lets not mince words when it comes to conservative response to the poor, minorities, and underclasses- -----Gays too, but Ill save Sen. Craig and my fine Gov. Crist for another debate on hypocritical people lacking in moral fortitude.

All I can even say to this is F*CK YOU! You don't know a goddamn thing about me or what I think about people. You don't even know what you're talking about you pretentious little pr*ck!

Whos calling names now? I dont think I was talking about you directly---sorry if it hit a nerve for some reason---sometimes truth or something close to home will do that....but please watch the name calling Sheriff.

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