I've had a couple of each of these and have found that they do suffer from some construction issues. I did let a red tubo rest outside of the tube for about 7 weeks and it was easily the best performer of the bunch, no real need to touch up. They all still had great flavor. I'm hoping that just a little extra rest will do these some good. Maybe pete pushed these a little too quickly out the doors.

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The owner of my local shop said Pete told him there was some kind of issue with these and they needed some rest before they are ready to smoke. Not sure what the issues are exactly, but he wasn't happy at all about it.

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Funny, I was torn between a box of Red or Black. Sandman and I got one of each at a local shop and smoked them together. I had the Black and loved it - it was much stronger than I expected after reading your review. I was reeling halfway through, and pretty much all I smoke are heavy/full bodied cigars. Sandman had the Red and loved his as well - razor sharp burn the entire time and loved the flavo, a little lighter bodied, but he still had a nice buzz by the end. We both agreed the Black had better flavor - though it was a close one - and I went with a box of the Black.

I'll smoke my first from the Box in April when my baby is born. I'll let you know how it goes.

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TatuajeVI:

Funny, I was torn between a box of Red or Black. Sandman and I got one of each at a local shop and smoked them together. I had the Black and loved it - it was much stronger than I expected after reading your review. I was reeling halfway through, and pretty much all I smoke are heavy/full bodied cigars. Sandman had the Red and loved his as well - razor sharp burn the entire time and loved the flavo, a little lighter bodied, but he still had a nice buzz by the end. We both agreed the Black had better flavor - though it was a close one - and I went with a box of the Black.

I'll smoke my first from the Box in April when my baby is born. I'll let you know how it goes.

For some reason I don't get much strength from cigars most say are strong, so I guess when I say a cigar is mild it may be a bit fuller bodied and stronger than what I say... Oh now I'm confused, lol.

Thanks for the feedback fellas.

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I'm not quite sure what to think now. I had a Verocu tonight and was a more than a bit let down. Basically it just didn't smoke right, it burned hot the whole way and I struggled to get any smoke out of it, because of that the flavors were off. On the whole, I'm really feeling like I bought a sub-standard product in the Black and Red tubos, I don't consider either one of these to be worth the money and quite frankly I wish I had just bought a couple singles of each instead of boxes. Looks like I'm not touching the remaining cigars for several, like 6+, months.

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I'm not quite sure what to think now. I had a Verocu tonight and was a more than a bit let down. Basically it just didn't smoke right, it burned hot the whole way and I struggled to get any smoke out of it, because of that the flavors were off. On the whole, I'm really feeling like I bought a sub-standard product in the Black and Red tubos, I don't consider either one of these to be worth the money and quite frankly I wish I had just bought a couple singles of each instead of boxes. Looks like I'm not touching the remaining cigars for several, like 6+, months.

I enjoyed the blacks, but yeah, 6+ for the reds for me too.

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Those who have had the 5 Vegas line know that there are some good cigars to be had. I personally LOVE the Relic, and the Cask 2. The Limitada 08 is also a favorite. A while back a fellow BOTL sent me 2 Limitada 06 sticks and today was the first time I lit one of them up. The cigar is lighter in color than the 08 and less peppery smelling. The nicely wrapped Torp was top notch in construction and a simple cut opened the cigar right up. The pre draw was a bit woody with some earthiness. Once Lit, the flavor of wood, earth, and some light spices came blasting out. The smoke was decent and the draw was easy. Moving into the first thrid I was picking up some light cream/butter with the wood and earth. This continued for a while, I'd say about till the first ash 1/2 way in. After the ash dropped, I encountered major burn issues. One side would stay lit and the other would go out. I kept on battling this for about another inch or two then it kind-of kept lit. I was able to pick up some wood and earth again but the semi-sweetness was gone, and in its place came some bitterness.

I let the thing burn out with about 2.5 or so inches left. Over all I thought the cigar wasn't bad, but disappointed with it as this is suppose to be a top of the line, Limited smoke that is released once a year. As with other yearly releases I have never been able to find every year hit home with me, but I do expect them to be worthy of the title. The cigar was more mild than say the 07, or 08, hell even the 09 but just didn't give me the "good" feeling as the 08 did. I haven't really enjoyed any of the Limitada line other than the 08 and the 06 will be added to that list, though I do think it was better than the 07, 09. Though I do have one more left, so maybe that will change my mind.

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ive liked the 06 better than the 08 so far. i have yet to try the 09.

the only other one i have yet to try is the 05 (the first year) . if anyone has any of those please PM me. we may be able to make a deal. my favorite so far is the 06 but i feel that in time the 08 will be better with age. the 07 was ok but in comparison to the 06 and 08 im not excited about it.


just goes to show how different tastes are.

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I do feel that the 08's do get better with some sitting. I bought a box over a year ago and they are much better than when I first tried them.

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I do feel that the 08's do get better with some sitting. I bought a box over a year ago and they are much better than when I first tried them.

i had a fw burn issues with them fresh. i moved all of them that i had to the aging humidor. ill break em out in spring and see how they go.

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Thanks to another member here, I was able to secure a few of these "nub" like Opus X's. I haven't had these long but I thought what the hay. After breakfast I poured some more coffee and started this puppy up.

The cigar smells like any other opus and the pre light draw is what I'd expect. Once lighting up, I was hit with pepper, spice, and that typical opus strength. After the first several puffs I knew that this guy was going to be little young so my expectations dropped a bit. I noticed that the burn was a bit off, but thought it would correct itself. I kept moving on with the cigar, and had lighter in had as well.

The above is what I was dealing with the entire time. For some reason it kept going out on that one side and brought with it a harshness that was ruining the cigar. I let it go out shortly after that pic. I have hopes for these if they sit a while but I have had lots of opus's from the shop and never had an issue like this.

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Bah. frustrating when you are expecting so much from a stick. Sorry you had issues with this one.

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Not sure how many have had this stick but I'm going to let you all know how it tastes and how it stacks up to the rest of the line.
I've had this since december 08 and it's been living at the bottom of my humi.


CAO Tony Soprano: A Honduras with a dark and chewy Brazilian wrapper leaf, blend of Nicaraguan, Dominican and Columbian tobaccos with a Honduran-grown binder. This size is a limited run of the line boasting a 6.5 x 60 size. They were only available in 48 count black trunk humidors or in samplers for the line.

After giving the cigar a good look-see I am amazed at how eye popping gorgeous this stick is. The 3 bands that cover the wrapper to the wrapper itself. The construction is top notch. This cigar is by far one of the best looking cigars I've ever seen. While removing the labels I can't help but smell the wrapper, a barnyard-ish aroma is very prominate. I seem to get this with a lot of maduros. I went ahead and used a large punch instead of my small one since the diameter is so big. A few dry puffs and I get tobacco, cocoa, and some spice. Moving on I start to toast the foot and the cigar comes to life!!!

Moving into the first few puffs I am getting a lot of flavor. Chocolate, earth, tobacco, and a better sweet roasted flavor. The flavors are really tasty all clumped together. The smoke is plentiful and has a nice rich aroma. For this stick I am enjoying a coca cola vanilla which seems to pair very nicely especially the vanilla which seems to strengthen the sweetness of the cocoa. After moving past the first 1/3rd the flavors stay consistent without changing much. The ash is tight, and seems to be sticking rather nicely. Now one thing about this line is how they burn. I've never had any Soprano burn well, they always seem to burn faster on one side. This stick is no exception. I've had it since December of 08 and it's been in the bottom of my humi since then so the time has not made any difference on the burn. Other than that the flavor and the smoke output is very pleasing.

After kicking the first bit of ash the curb (not that it fell but I didn't want it too) the smoke, the flavor and the draw are all top notch. The flavors really haven't changed all the much with the exception of the strength of the cocoa. It seems to have taken over the profile and the vanilla coke is making the taste so much more enjoyable. The burn seems to have started to get better after knocking off the ash but it's still not razor sharp.

After moving past the 2nd ash the Tony Soprano is still flavorful and smoky as ever. The Tastes have stayed much the same except more tobacco and some earth have moved in. The cocoa is stepping back a bit. There are some minor hints of wood and spice but the cigar has yet to move into a strong full bodied experience. The cigar has burned slow and cool this entire time which is a welcomed surprise. So many cigars start to get hot around this time but this guy is cool as can be.

Moving onto the last stretch of the cigar the strength picks up but not much. The tobacco is stronger and the sweetness has taken a back step. Though hints of sweet are present as is some earth, spice, coffee. I smoked this puppy until it became hard to hold with two fingers but the thing never really got too hot.
Overall this cigar was a very nice addition to the line. I feel that this cigar would be my go to Soprano however it's rarity makes that a no go. They pop up at times but at a 20 plus price tag that may not sit well with some people. The soldier/boss is a bit cheaper and though don't last as long I feel they taste very similar. I think the larger ring gauge and size allows the overall flavor come out more. The Tony lasted about 2.25 hours maybe a bit more since I didn't have a stop watch. I suggest if you haven't had any of the sopranos to check them out, however they can be found at a steep price. I'm glad that I have another of these sticks lying around as I'd like to see if they change after another year or so of rest.

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They don't make those anymore huh? I'd love to try one

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