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Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

Last post 12-30-2008, 4:30 PM by rdnstn. 132 replies.
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  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 2:09 PM

    madurofan:
    Its an old joke TFH, just an old joke.
    I know. My response was supposed to be a joke too.
    Lasabar:
    Lot Lizards... The only profession where less teeth fetches a higher price....
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 2:11 PM

    Dammit, I hate forums. You can never tell when someone is joking then it takes 4 posts to establish that the first post was a joke and by then its not funny anymore.
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 2:13 PM

    LMAO, good point. Touche salesman, touche.
    Lasabar:
    Lot Lizards... The only profession where less teeth fetches a higher price....
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 2:18 PM

    Volcano insurance, volcano insurance, he's signing it, he's signing, I can't believe he's signing it.
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 2:34 PM

    thats interesting.

    i have an issue with RP's image.

    but Ill start with Gurkha...
    Gurkha has the image of being the "rolls royce" of cigars. they claim to be the "world's finest cigar" . they have lines such as The legend, the Crest, The Centurian, the black dragon, dragon fury, G3, G5, the beast, the titan, Regent, Warlord, and, of course, HMR.... they even make their own coffee. with lines that have rated as well as those have and using the tobacco they have you can start to see where Gurkha can be the Rolls Royce of cigars.

    Rocky Patel has MUSIC on their front page... not a fan but it shows that they are putting effort forth. their lines include the Decade, the edge, OWR, the vintage series (92 and 90), nording, nicaro, I-press, sungrown, Fusions, Fumas, R4 ITC, and countless small batchs. Rocky has hands in the blends of many of the cigars many of us love. (REO,java, indian tabac)


    Rocky is all over the place. EVERYWHERE. its crazy. here in lies the problem. there is so much going on that it seems that it is no longer about quality anymore. its seems to be about what all can RP get his name on. i mean, seriously: the edge and Edge counterfits? come on...
    plus the fact that i dont even like nicaraguan tobacco as much.

    tis brings us back to gurkha... er... the owner of gurkha K.Hansotia... he seems to be having the same problem as gurkha: make more blends to make more money. the quantity is going up. is the quality going down? just a few thoughts: Symphony, turk, Park Ave.



    they both are in a cigar war of sorts. for some reason its a bout quantity, not quality. I just think that Gurkha is slipping to the dark side slower than Rocky Patel.


    ...and gurkhas just taste better.
    Kuzi's cigar catalog blending 101 developing your palate
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 2:42 PM

    I actually agree with what you said. No need in arguing. Except that they are going to the dark side any slower. They just don't sell near as many cigars.

    My issue with Gurkha is that they aren't even close to the image they want to project as the Rolls-Royce of cigars. To begin with the don't grow tobacco, ferment, blend, roll or do any part of the process. Every part of every Gurkha cigar is contracted out.
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 3:14 PM

    madurofan:
    I actually agree with what you said. No need in arguing. Except that they are going to the dark side any slower. They just don't sell near as many cigars.

    My issue with Gurkha is that they aren't even close to the image they want to project as the Rolls-Royce of cigars. To begin with the don't grow tobacco, ferment, blend, roll or do any part of the process. Every part of every Gurkha cigar is contracted out.
    that doesnt make it a bad product. Every part of my house was contracted out when it was built, and again when i wanted to upgrade it. Just because i didnt make it with my own two hands doesnt mean that it isnt good.

    part of the reason they do this is because they are looking for rare tobacco from around the world. If they were just growing it all the time then it wouldnt be rare. part of the draw to the gurkha line is the rarity of the tobacco. ... its part of the price too.
    Kuzi's cigar catalog blending 101 developing your palate
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 3:33 PM

    kuzi16:
    madurofan:
    I actually agree with what you said. No need in arguing. Except that they are going to the dark side any slower. They just don't sell near as many cigars.

    My issue with Gurkha is that they aren't even close to the image they want to project as the Rolls-Royce of cigars. To begin with the don't grow tobacco, ferment, blend, roll or do any part of the process. Every part of every Gurkha cigar is contracted out.
    that doesnt make it a bad product. Every part of my house was contracted out when it was built, and again when i wanted to upgrade it. Just because i didnt make it with my own two hands doesnt mean that it isnt good.

    part of the reason they do this is because they are looking for rare tobacco from around the world. If they were just growing it all the time then it wouldnt be rare. part of the draw to the gurkha line is the rarity of the tobacco. ... its part of the price too.
    Both valid points and I agree. Its the fact that they are taking the name Rolls-Royce which stands for its quality engineering. All the do is buy the best cigars that someone else makes. They're middle-men, which is fine but the fact that they try to portray themselves as something more is annoying. Before Rocky had his own factory or even now when works with another factory to produce a cigar in the cigars description he always says who helped blend it or where it was produced hes not hiding it. THe same goes for companies like Tatuaje, Padilla, and Cusano. But Gurkha always tries to pass cigars off as their own creations when they truth of the matter is they have little to nothing to do with the creation of any of their cigars.

    Just one mans opinion. You know I love this argument kuz :)
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 4:24 PM

    It is funny...I don't think there is much of a war here...two very different products...seemingly different target markets....both seem to be doing well. I haven't heard of a Rocky Patel Bankruptcy suit yet...and well Gurkhas sell. New smokers, like myself, flock to them. It seems like the war comes down to what one's tastes are. I have had a few gurkhas in my day and while they have been pleasant, I have not been floored by them. I have yet to have a Rocky Patel (name bearing) cigar(may change tonight), though I had a Nording and it was about as pleasant as a Gurkha. My tastes, so far, tell me that neither are terrible, yet nor are they favorites.
    "As I grow to understand life less and less, I learn to love it more and more." - Jules Renard
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 4:36 PM

    I would have to say that I like both brands. I have not had that many Rocky Patels but I have had tons of Gurkhas. I would have to say the 1992 is my favorite or Rocky so far followed by the Decade. I don't think the Decade deserved the 95 it got but it is definately good. As for Gurkha, I've had good and bad. The Shaggy was by far my favorite. The Marqueza was way to strong for me and a waste. I have had good Centurions and a few OK Centurions. I had good Regents and some bad ones. The first few I ever had I didn't like. The last one I had I really liked. So, I think consistency should be better for a brand that sells $750 cigars. I guess in my opinion, the cheaper Gurkhas are better, at least in my case. Oh, and a while ago you could get the Centurions 5 for $30, like the Titans were $6 for $30 or was it the other way around? I stocked up on both since I couldn't beat the price.
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 4:38 PM

    rwheelwright:
    I would have to say that I like both brands. I have not had that many Rocky Patels but I have had tons of Gurkhas. I would have to say the 1992 is my favorite or Rocky so far followed by the Decade. I don't think the Decade deserved the 95 it got but it is definately good. As for Gurkha, I've had good and bad. The Shaggy was by far my favorite. The Marqueza was way to strong for me and a waste. I have had good Centurions and a few OK Centurions. I had good Regents and some bad ones. The first few I ever had I didn't like. The last one I had I really liked. So, I think consistency should be better for a brand that sells $750 cigars. I guess in my opinion, the cheaper Gurkhas are better, at least in my case. Oh, and a while ago you could get the Centurions 5 for $30, like the Titans were $6 for $30 or was it the other way around? I stocked up on both since I couldn't beat the price.
    I think I just ended up rambling in that last post and said alot without really saying anything. Sorry.
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 4:40 PM

    Very true sir. RP's used to be my favorites but I'm more into anything made by Don Pepin right now. Those and CAOs.
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 4:42 PM

    rwheelwright:
    rwheelwright:
    I would have to say that I like both brands. I have not had that many Rocky Patels but I have had tons of Gurkhas. I would have to say the 1992 is my favorite or Rocky so far followed by the Decade. I don't think the Decade deserved the 95 it got but it is definately good. As for Gurkha, I've had good and bad. The Shaggy was by far my favorite. The Marqueza was way to strong for me and a waste. I have had good Centurions and a few OK Centurions. I had good Regents and some bad ones. The first few I ever had I didn't like. The last one I had I really liked. So, I think consistency should be better for a brand that sells $750 cigars. I guess in my opinion, the cheaper Gurkhas are better, at least in my case. Oh, and a while ago you could get the Centurions 5 for $30, like the Titans were $6 for $30 or was it the other way around? I stocked up on both since I couldn't beat the price.
    I think I just ended up rambling in that last post and said alot without really saying anything. Sorry.
    Don't worry about it. I got what you meant.
  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 7:31 PM

    I have to say I'm not particularly a partisan of either brand. I've had a couple of RPs I really like -- Vintage 1992 and Fusion Double Maduro -- and a couple of Gurkhas I really like -- Centurian and Fuerte. Other than those, no offering from either brand has really impressed me.

    The brands I hold in great esteem are Arturo Fuente and, a distant second, Oliva.
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  • Re: Rocky Patel vs. Gurkha

     12-15-2008, 8:44 PM

    urbino:
    I have to say I'm not particularly a partisan of either brand. I've had a couple of RPs I really like -- Vintage 1992 and Fusion Double Maduro -- and a couple of Gurkhas I really like -- Centurian and Fuerte. Other than those, no offering from either brand has really impressed me.

    The brands I hold in great esteem are Arturo Fuente and, a distant second, Oliva.
    With Mr. Urbino I agree, Fuentes products have always been my most favored over the years. My very first cigar was a Montesino, and my most favored Bauza, both products from the Fuentes. Opus X when I can get them, Don Carlos and Hemingways when I want something special, as well as Cuban Coronas, Chateaus, and of course Ashtons.
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