clearlysuspect: stephen_hannibal: clearlysuspect: PuroFreak: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail.My only reply to that is, what is wrong with always wanting better? What is wrong with trying do the absolute best you possibly can? That's what drives industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... That's how everything advances. In many ways it is the industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... that have disassociated us with what is truly important, happiness. And it is simply a matter of opinion that to strive for advances in industry and technology IS doing the best we can, that somehow this is better. There are several small villages around the world that lack all of the technological advancements that we possess, but possess all the happiness that we lack. I'll say it's not the things themselves, remember the only constant thus far in the equation are people. Marketing can work some terrible miracles... "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..." - Hitler I apologize. I assumed we had already come to this conclusion and were moving forward from it. I believe that at this point we are discussing the affects of man on himself and his environment and the degree of his responsibility for the institutional, industrial, and social machines he and his fellow humans have placed into motion. It is always man who is behind the curtain, but at this point it is the thing (or things) that has been set into motion and the thing whose value must, at this point, be calculated.
stephen_hannibal: clearlysuspect: PuroFreak: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail.My only reply to that is, what is wrong with always wanting better? What is wrong with trying do the absolute best you possibly can? That's what drives industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... That's how everything advances. In many ways it is the industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... that have disassociated us with what is truly important, happiness. And it is simply a matter of opinion that to strive for advances in industry and technology IS doing the best we can, that somehow this is better. There are several small villages around the world that lack all of the technological advancements that we possess, but possess all the happiness that we lack. I'll say it's not the things themselves, remember the only constant thus far in the equation are people. Marketing can work some terrible miracles... "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..." - Hitler
clearlysuspect: PuroFreak: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail.My only reply to that is, what is wrong with always wanting better? What is wrong with trying do the absolute best you possibly can? That's what drives industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... That's how everything advances. In many ways it is the industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... that have disassociated us with what is truly important, happiness. And it is simply a matter of opinion that to strive for advances in industry and technology IS doing the best we can, that somehow this is better. There are several small villages around the world that lack all of the technological advancements that we possess, but possess all the happiness that we lack.
PuroFreak: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail.My only reply to that is, what is wrong with always wanting better? What is wrong with trying do the absolute best you possibly can? That's what drives industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... That's how everything advances.
clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail.
stephen_hannibal: clearlysuspect: stephen_hannibal: clearlysuspect: PuroFreak: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail.My only reply to that is, what is wrong with always wanting better? What is wrong with trying do the absolute best you possibly can? That's what drives industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... That's how everything advances. In many ways it is the industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... that have disassociated us with what is truly important, happiness. And it is simply a matter of opinion that to strive for advances in industry and technology IS doing the best we can, that somehow this is better. There are several small villages around the world that lack all of the technological advancements that we possess, but possess all the happiness that we lack. I'll say it's not the things themselves, remember the only constant thus far in the equation are people. Marketing can work some terrible miracles... "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..." - Hitler I apologize. I assumed we had already come to this conclusion and were moving forward from it. I believe that at this point we are discussing the affects of man on himself and his environment and the degree of his responsibility for the institutional, industrial, and social machines he and his fellow humans have placed into motion. It is always man who is behind the curtain, but at this point it is the thing (or things) that has been set into motion and the thing whose value must, at this point, be calculated.Suspect, I agree wholeheartedly, but I believe a focus must be placed on the problem and not just the symptoms. What we need is not absolution but rather a restorative nature.... Also well written, do you blog?
gmill880: PuroFreak: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail.My only reply to that is, what is wrong with always wanting better? What is wrong with trying do the absolute best you possibly can? That's what drives industry, technology, medicine... etc... etc... That's how everything advances. I think you may have mis-understood what I was saying Puro ...nothing at all wrong with wanting more , hell I would like to have a lot more toys than I do. My point was when you want more and actually go after it by any means necessary including not taking care of your personal responsibilities like paying your bills on time , neglecting taking care of your family or just plain old dis honesty then I have a big problem with that . The desire to do better and advance is what made this country a powerhouse and the desire to have it all now with no consequences attached and expecting the government to bail your *** out of your mistakes is what I disagree with ...I want everyone to have their dream but I'll be a SOB if I or you should have to pay for it for them !!! As far as I'm concerned you are entitled to exactly whatever you have the ability to gain by an honest days work and no more or no less !!! I think we agree Puro, Its just I'm probably not doing a good job of articulating my position considering I've had 1/2 bottle homemade grape wine and am now on my 2nd Fat Tire beer !!!
Krieg: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail. Ok, this post is probably the most backassward post I have read in awhile. So in order to be wealthy, our Republic must fall? Do you also believe that the "rich" should hand over more of thier money to the "less fortunate"? Which leads me into my next point, how do you think rich people got rich? Liberals use the phrase "less fortunate", which implies that if you're not rich, you're just fortunate, Lucky so to speak and you didn't work your ass off to get where you are today. So what's really wrong here? Are you jealous of people who get off thier asses and want more out of life? I am just trying to figure our your thought process here, so I guess what you're trying to say is from each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right?
clearlysuspect: Krieg: clearlysuspect:Yes. The key here is to ensure that "Capitalistic" is placed infront of Republic. In the end, we're a Capitalistic Republic. And our priorities come in that order also. Money first, then the law. That's why I really could care less who is in the White House and who isn't. The downfall of our nation has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with Greed. And this isn't just pointed at the top, the elite either. This is even pointed at the average man and woman these days. It used to be that people wanted the simple things in life: a plot of land, a stable job, a family, and place to live out our days. Today, everyone is trying to be the next millionaire, or billionaire. It isn't enough to have what we need, we have to keep up with the Jones, we have to have the newest and the best. Because of our greed, capitalism must thrive. Because of our capitalism, our republic must fail. Ok, this post is probably the most backassward post I have read in awhile. So in order to be wealthy, our Republic must fall? Do you also believe that the "rich" should hand over more of thier money to the "less fortunate"? Which leads me into my next point, how do you think rich people got rich? Liberals use the phrase "less fortunate", which implies that if you're not rich, you're just fortunate, Lucky so to speak and you didn't work your ass off to get where you are today. So what's really wrong here? Are you jealous of people who get off thier asses and want more out of life? I am just trying to figure our your thought process here, so I guess what you're trying to say is from each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right? Krieg, where in the hell did you get that from? First, I'm an Aircraft Mechanic and I've worked my ass off to get where I am today, I don't know the meaning of a "sick day," and I understand that most individuals live paycheck to paycheck by choice and not by neccessity. The latter is something my wife had to teach me when we first started dating. Second, who said anything about people being "less fortunate" or "wealthy" or "rich" or "Marxism" or even noted to the exchange of money from anyone to anyone else? You have either misread, don't know how to read, or are clearly dillusional. The point that I have been trying to stress is that wealth and poverty are not always translated into money and possessions. A man who would do anything to obtain wealth will never be wealthy. Our nation has forgotten this simple concept and because of it we have become morally, spiritually, and socially bankrupt. It appears to me that you're not "just trying to figure our your thought process here" as you claim and you have unjustly accused me of being a communist from your first sentence, implying several comments that were not said by me.
clearlysuspect:...morally, spiritually, and socially bankrupt....