PuroFreak:

Wheather or not anyone supports him isn't really the issue here. I don't agree with much he does, but I have a couple friend who back him 110% that ever agree there was no way in hell he should have won the Nobel Peace prize, simply because he hasn't done ANYTHING. He has not passed a single piece of legislation that impacted the evnironment or the economy when he was nomintate. Like him or not, I still challenge ANYONE to point to one thing he had done by Feb. 1st 2009 that would merrit him being nominated.

You must not follow things. On January 29, 2009, President Obama signed his first bill into law, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which overruled the Supreme Court's decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. and so eased the requirements for filing employment discrimination lawsuits.[112] Five days later, he signed the reauthorization of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to cover an additional 4 million children currently uninsured.

In March 2009, Obama repealed a Bush-era policy that prevented federal tax dollars from being used to fund research on new lines of embryonic stem cells

On September 30, 2009, the Obama administration announced new regulations on power plants, factories and oil refineries in an attempt to limit greenhouse gas emissions and to curb global warming.

On February 17, 2009, Barack Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, a $787 billion economic stimulus package aimed at helping the economy recover from the deepening worldwide recession.includes increased federal spending for health care, infrastructure, education, various tax breaks and incentives, and direct assistance to individuals,[121] which is being distributed over the course of several years, with about 25% due by the end of 2009

ALSO the $787 billion stimulus bill that President Barack Obama signed into law Tuesday includes a similar--albeit smaller--measure designed to help revive the real estate market. Here are six things you need to know about the freshly-enacted $8,000 first-time home buyer tax credit

Obama intervened in the troubled automotive industry in March, renewing loans for General Motors and Chrysler Corporation to continue operations while reorganizing. Over the following months the White House set terms for both firms' bankruptcies, including the sale of Chrysler to Italian automaker Fiat and a reorganization of GM giving the U.S. government a temporary 60% equity stake in the company, with the Canadian government shouldering a 12% stake.

On March 19, Obama continued his outreach to the Muslim world, releasing a New Year's video message to the people and government of Iran. This attempt at outreach was rebuffed by the Iranian leadership. In April, Obama gave a speech in Ankara, Turkey which was well received by many Arab governments. On June 4, 2009, Obama delivered a speech at Cairo University in Egypt calling for "a new beginning" in relations between the Islamic world and the United States and promoting Middle East peace.

On June 26, 2009, in response to the Iranian government's actions towards protesters following Iran's 2009 presidential election, Obama said: "The violence perpetrated against them is outrageous. We see it and we condemn it." On July 7, while in Moscow, he responded to a Vice President Biden comment on a possible Israeli military strike on Iran by saying: "We have said directly to the Israelis that it is important to try and resolve this in an international setting in a way that does not create major conflict in the Middle East."

On September 24, 2009, Obama became the first sitting U.S. President to preside over a meeting of the United Nations Security Council.

Obama has called for Congress to pass health care reform, a key campaign promise and a top legislative goal. On July 14, 2009, House Democratic leaders introduced a 1,017 page plan for overhauling the US health care system, which Obama wants Congress to approve by the end of the year.[143] Obama has also stated that a public health insurance option is a main component to lowering costs and improving quality in the health care sector.

On taxation, his plan would eliminate taxes for senior citizens with incomes of less than $50,000 a year, raise income taxes for those making over $250,000, raise the capital gains and dividends taxes,[153] close corporate tax loopholes, lift the income cap on Social Security taxes, restrict offshore tax havens, and simplify filing of income tax returns by pre-filling wage and bank information already collected by the IRS.

The Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS), colloquially known as "Cash for Clunkers", was a US $3 billion U.S. federal scrappage program intended to provide economic incentives to U.S. residents to purchase a new, more fuel efficient vehicle when trading in a less fuel efficient vehicle. The program was promoted as providing stimulus to the economy by boosting auto sales, while putting safer, cleaner and more fuel-efficient vehicles on the roadways. Although the program officially started on July 1, 2009, the processing of claims did not begin until July and the program ended on August 24, as the appropriated resources were exhausted. The deadline for dealers to submit applications was August 25. According to estimates of the Department of Transportation, the initial $1 billion appropriated for the system was exhausted by July 30, 2009, well before the anticipated end date of November 1, 2009, due to very high demand. In response, Congress approved an additional $2 billion. On August 26 the DoT reported that the program resulted in 690,114 dealer transactions submitted requesting a total of $2.877 billion in rebates. Also it spurred american auto makers to re-open plants, hire back workers and allow the building of more cars which means all the places that make parts stay in business.

Obama led the way with Iran and six world powers ended a landmark meeting Thursday with an agreement to take a new stab at overcoming years of mistrust generated by Tehran's nuclear program and meet again this month for wide-ranging discussions on the two sides' concerns. Adding to the optimism generated by the decision to hold follow-up talks was a rare bilateral meeting between the senior U.S. and Iranian delegates to the meeting. In addition, diplomats said Iran will open its newly disclosed nuclear plant to U.N. inspectors, probably within a few weeks.

President Barack Obama has shelved a Bush-era plan for an Eastern European missile defense plan that has been a major irritant in relations with Russia. Obama said a redesigned defensive system would be cheaper, quicker and more effective against the threat from Iranian missiles. He said, "Our new missile defense architecture in Europe will provide stronger, smarter and swifter defenses of American forces and America's allies." Obama said, "It is more comprehensive than the previous program; it deploys capabilities that are proven and cost effective, and it sustains and builds upon our commitment to protect the U.S. homeland." Bush Administration Plan The missile defense system, planned under the Bush administration, was to have been built in the Czech Republic and Poland. Obama phoned Czech Prime Minister Jan Fischer Wednesday night and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk Thursday morning to alert them of his decision. Iran Less Focused on Long Range Missles Obama said the plan was scrapped in part because, after a review, the U.S. has concluded that Iran is less focused on developing the kind of long-range missiles for which the system was originally developed.

President Obama is exploring alternatives to a major troop increase in Afghanistan, including a plan advocated by Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. to scale back American forces and focus more on rooting out Al Qaeda there and in Pakistan.

These are some of the things His admin has done, and with no help from the Republicans. Also not all the policy's are great, I'm not a fan what the cap and trade bill finalized as, (thanks to republicans for weakening it) also with the stimulus bill which they (republicans) which took away billions of dollars for infrastructure. But for the most part he has accomplished A LOT! I wish more was done but congress is where things are really decided and until there is a more progressive and more emphasis on changing things for the good this is what we get.

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Eight months into Bush's first term as president, the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks occurred THOUGH - June 2001, communications were intercepted from terrorists that a terrorists attack was going to occur on U.S. soil. Just prior to 9/11 the FBI had several suspected terrorists under surveilence when they intercepted this communication. The Secret Service had terrorists in custody, who bragged that America was going to be attacked just prior to 9/11. Project Bojinka, which is Osama Bin Ladens "project" to use airliners as fuel bombs against U.S. buildings had been the works for many years and our Government knew about it. Just prior to 9/11 an Arabic Satellite television channel MBC, had broadcast that one of their reporters had just had a meeting with Osama Bin Laden two days ago, and he reported " the next two weeks will witness a big surprise. A severe blow is expected against U.S. and Israeli interests worldwide."

The World Trade Center had been a symbol of stability to the world, and a target by the terrorists.

Government officials had known that during the week of 9/11 to not take any flights as they were warned, but never given the reason why. San Francisco City Mayor Willie Brown already had a flight booked days before for 9/11/2009 from the Bay to New York City, he was called and warned not to take the flight by a U.S. security official.

U.S.Military Intellegence had warned Airline Officials to release a general warning for all airport security to be on alert for terrorists around mid-september 2001 but especially be cautious on 9/11/2001.

But let's just ignore all that...

President Bush came into office promising a range of income tax cuts. He succeeded in getting a 10-year $1.35 trillion tax cut plan through Congress in 2001 which primarily cut taxes for the top 1%. It was the largest tax cut since 1981 (reagan tax cuts). Also this was not paid for.

Led America in a Afghanistan but failed to use The ARMY effectively (I was there) to capture Osama, and allowed the use of "highest" paid rebels to secure the regions. Then shifted America from there to IRAQ while using false information to invade then spend the next several years there while killing thousands of civilians, and OUR TROOPS. Both wars were not in the budgets.

Medicare Part D went into effect on January 1, 2006, which allowed the Govt no longer to negotiate prices for prescription drugs so now medicare had to pay FULL price for drugs set by the drug companies, furthering the long attack on medicare by the republicans to bankrupt it.

The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 which was never paid for and funding collapsed. Along with many jobs.

Had a surplus when entering office and left with a huge deficit, tax cuts and wars never paid for was one of the biggest reasons.

Closed Prince Sultan Air Base which was one of the key victories after the 1st gulf war.

Allowed and used torture which is against US law.

Bush submitted his $515.4 billion defense spending budget for FY ‘09. Contained within that budget is a windfall for defense contractors — “$104.2 billion for weapons procurement and nearly $80 billion for research and development.” This budget is 7.5 percent higher than the current year’s. Even Defense experts are surprised at how generous the Bush administration is willing to be with the taxpayers’ money, in light of a faltering economy and deep cuts to domestic programs: “The expectation has been that it can’t continue to increase as it has,” Phil Finnegan, a defense analyst at the Teal Group in Fairfax, said of defense spending. “But it has surprised everyone to see how long this increase has continued. This budget was a great budget for all defense contractors.” [...] “The fiscal year 2009 budget may be about as good as it gets for defense contractors,” said Steve Kosiak, vice president of budget studies at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. “We have had eight years of quite dramatic growth in [the Defense Department's] weapons acquisition accounts. (basically giving huge control over to these companies and paying them millions for the same work that OUR troops do without the oversight, laws, and treaties by the United States)

Allowed the continued and imposed less restrictions on WALL street and large corporations concluding to a 700 billion dollar hand-out to them all while MILLIONS of AMERICANS LOST THEIR JOBS, HOMES, AND BUSINESSES.

SAT by and watched victims of KATRINA suffer. Doing little to help, but if that had happened in say Hollywood or NEW YORK they would have been all over it.

Bush spent at Camp David to all or part of 487 days. Yes, that's 487 days. And Camp David is not even where the president has spent the most time when not at the White House: Knoller reports that Mr. Bush has made 77 visits to his ranch in Crawford during his presidency, and spent all or part of 490 days there. WOW more than any other president on VACATION, and while the US was at WAR!!!!

So I guess OBAMA is not accomplishing anything... No, he's horrible for this country. I could do more digging but I'm done. There's a laundry list of things that the BUSH admin did to help this country. Well the RICH and all powerful, as well as help wallstreet, the banks, and anyone but 95% of Americans. HE made our Country loved around the world, and really helped our security. Yeah they had it all figured out. Now I don't agree with all of Obama's decisions, but he's done a lot in 9 months. I hope that in the next 3 years and hopefully more, he'll do many more things and hopefully get more of a spine. I apploud him on working with Russia, France, Britain, and China with IRAN and because of it there is TALK with IRAN as well as NORTH KOREA. Re-thinking Afghanistan is very important, and shifting towards a more "coalition" style agenda in that region is much more efficient. But hey you all can keep pushing the HATE agenda, hoping Obama fails, and voting for people who really don't have your needs in minds but if your in that top 1% which has more wealth than 95% of us then go a head, Keep calling Obama a socialist, Marxist, fascist, communist as well as any kind of reform that will really bring this country back to a stable field.
For the record these are the definitions of Marxist, fascist, communist

Marxism 1. the doctrines developed from the political, economie, and social theories of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and their followers: dialectical materialism, a labor-based theory of wealth, an economie class struggle leading to revolution, the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eventual development of a classless society. 2. the contributions to these doctrines in the interpretations of Lenin

[Fascism is] a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity, one which has assumed a considerable variety of external forms to adapt itself to the particular historical and national context in which it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine. In the inter-war period it manifested itself primarily in the form of an elite-led "armed party" which attempted, mostly unsuccessfully, to generate a populist mass movement through a liturgical style of politics and a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of its social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence. Paxton wrote that fascism is: a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion

Communism- a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state. - a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended

Keep in mind the US has always had a sort of socialism. Republicans if anything are Fascists. They want corporations to control the government and they have done a great job of it since Reagan. Do you really want our government ran by them? I mean the largest companies dictating what our country does? I know I don't want Intel and Microsoft in the senate for Oregon.

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seriously, that is the longest thread ever. How the heck do you expect us to read that? Just say "you are full of BS nana nana boo boo stick your head in doo doo" Then we will all know you disagree. :)

Wow Phebes, chill out dude. Before you go telling me what I know and don't know, read that again. Only ONE of the many things you named happened before Feb 1st. That was the day nominations were due for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which overruled the Supreme Court's decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. and so eased the requirements for filing employment discrimination lawsuits.

This isn't about his policy or who agrees with him or not, it's about what he had done to be nominated for the prize. Nominations were due by Feb 1st 2009. One piece of law signed into effect is not enough to merrit the Nobel Peace Prize... You just proved 100% this was a total politacl move when they gave him the award.

And why is when anyone says anything about Obama, you don't defend him as much as you bash Bush... Bush wasn't a great president. I'm not a huge fan. I agree with some of what he did, but disagree with a LOT of his policies. This isn't about Bush, he isn't running for office and never will again.

Also your defenition of Fascism was nothing more than someone's long winded interpretation of what they think Fascism is. I will link my sources. Fascism summed up on dictionary.com is :
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism

From Merriam-Webster :
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Fascism

It has nothing to do with corporations running the government and that was a serious stretch. Look at the amount of government control the Obama Administration is pushing for and how he wants to silence his critics. The left is a lot closer to being fascists than we have ever seen in this country. The Bush administration wasn't much better in this area, but they didn't fight for the amount of government control our current administration is seeking.

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Squirrel, those of us here (there are a few) thank you for your long post....Its nice to see someone try to buck the fest of like minded people on some threads continually posting only to reinforce those who share their opinions.----and no, this is not a target toward any person at all. It will ultimately be discredited and ignored, but the dissent of popular opinion on the boards is nice to see.

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PuroFreak:

Wow Phebes, chill out dude. Before you go telling me what I know and don't know, read that again. Only ONE of the many things you named happened before Feb 1st. That was the day nominations were due for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which overruled the Supreme Court's decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. and so eased the requirements for filing employment discrimination lawsuits.

This isn't about his policy or who agrees with him or not, it's about what he had done to be nominated for the prize. Nominations were due by Feb 1st 2009. One piece of law signed into effect is not enough to merrit the Nobel Peace Prize... You just proved 100% this was a total politacl move when they gave him the award.

And why is when anyone says anything about Obama, you don't defend him as much as you bash Bush... Bush wasn't a great president. I'm not a huge fan. I agree with some of what he did, but disagree with a LOT of his policies. This isn't about Bush, he isn't running for office and never will again.

Also your defenition of Fascism was nothing more than someone's long winded interpretation of what they think Fascism is. I will link my sources. Fascism summed up on dictionary.com is :
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism

From Merriam-Webster :
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Fascism

It has nothing to do with corporations running the government and that was a serious stretch. Look at the amount of government control the Obama Administration is pushing for and how he wants to silence his critics. The left is a lot closer to being fascists than we have ever seen in this country. The Bush administration wasn't much better in this area, but they didn't fight for the amount of government control our current administration is seeking.

Actually Obama was nominated back then along with hundreds of others. It wasn't finalized until a few days ago. And the peace prize was most often given to people for their ideals and agendas to promote peace, not what they had accomplished. And I know the definition of fascism was taken off of wikipidia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions). Actually it is a merge of government and corporate interests. Sorry to tell you but leaving our fates to corporations is, well look at what has happened. I bet that you would love to give up everything run by the government and hand it over to private business. I'd love to see you do it, but you wouldn't. Go a head, we know that banks, wallstreet, healthcare, the private corporate militaries, prisons .... are run so well and really work for the best interest of the American People. GET REAL. Obama is really pushing towards fascism, yeah and we never won WWII. So trying to take control from private companies that continue to profit from people getting sick and dying and make it so that doesn't happen is fascist? Yeah, sure.. sorry puro but you are dead wrong. I love the VA healthcare, I've never been turned away and get top notch care. I also don't spend thousands of dollars for it. My wife had her ER visit declined and now am stuck with 4,000. Read about the millions of people being screwed by the health companies, not to mention the millions that are being run out of their homes and jobs due to the HIGh costs. This is just one example. The huge cuts in employment and destruction of manufacturing was due to less restrictions on private sector employers so they cut corners and laws to protect workers. READ all about it. I recommend you do some serious digging. Obviously debating with you is a loose end, along with many people who continue to ignore the FACTS. I just get tire of listening to you and many others HATE talk about Obama and the lies being posted. Sorry to bring some reality to the issue but I didn't spell out the entire laundry list of what bush and obama have done or didn't do. I didn't list every single thing that this country has F'd up on since the late 70's, but if you really want to know do some real research. I am finishing up my major for economics and political science and have done countless hours studying and the whole system is a mess. I know that no reform of anything is what your party wants, and the continued destruction of this country for average Americans. Look at all the policies they have enacted and have chipped away at policies that are/have been in place. I'm an independent and am not in awe over Obama or the democrats but I like the idea of change for the better. less government isn't always good, more government isn't always good, but total loss of government is bad and private control is horrible. I guess striping away the laws for American citizens is good. The patriot act, and opening the door to corporate welfare is the best I guess, among other things. You know the story of Superman right? How his father tried to warn the "political powers" about the SUN destroying their planet, well that was saw as a scary thing, so they went with the other scientists who said, no krypton is just shifting orbit or what-have-you.. we'll be okay. Well guess what, they were wrong. Why? Well because it's hard, very hard to look catastrophe in the face and really deal with a problem on a global scale, but it's much easier to just push it under the rug. So do what many Americans have done over the last few decades, close your eyes, and then wake up and realize that the bus left. I think American's in the majority have realized this, and hopefully they haven't been asleep too long. The future will tell what will happen. And while the rest of the world looks at OUR policies and laugh at how America has been turned over to private control where the democratic republic once stood maybe then all Americans will know the truth, maybe not.

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Vulchor:

Squirrel, those of us here (there are a few) thank you for your long post....Its nice to see someone try to buck the fest of like minded people on some threads continually posting only to reinforce those who share their opinions.----and no, this is not a target toward any person at all. It will ultimately be discredited and ignored, but the dissent of popular opinion on the boards is nice to see.

Well thank you, I know laker and the urbster have tried to post things in the more truthful medium, and also to have a nice debate but really there isn't a whole lot of debate. Look at the history of the last 30 years, not so good. I also want to point out the great title of this thread, I mean wtf? A little history lesson on what the peace prize is and how it is determined might be in order but why? Ignorance is bliss, at least so I hear. Once again I like this forum, but seeing things like this and also the continued rhetoric is getting old. I think a political discussion is good sometimes but it's been turning into a fringe lately.

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phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

Wow Phebes, chill out dude. Before you go telling me what I know and don't know, read that again. Only ONE of the many things you named happened before Feb 1st. That was the day nominations were due for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, which overruled the Supreme Court's decision in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. and so eased the requirements for filing employment discrimination lawsuits.

This isn't about his policy or who agrees with him or not, it's about what he had done to be nominated for the prize. Nominations were due by Feb 1st 2009. One piece of law signed into effect is not enough to merrit the Nobel Peace Prize... You just proved 100% this was a total politacl move when they gave him the award.

And why is when anyone says anything about Obama, you don't defend him as much as you bash Bush... Bush wasn't a great president. I'm not a huge fan. I agree with some of what he did, but disagree with a LOT of his policies. This isn't about Bush, he isn't running for office and never will again.

Also your defenition of Fascism was nothing more than someone's long winded interpretation of what they think Fascism is. I will link my sources. Fascism summed up on dictionary.com is :
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism

From Merriam-Webster :
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Fascism

It has nothing to do with corporations running the government and that was a serious stretch. Look at the amount of government control the Obama Administration is pushing for and how he wants to silence his critics. The left is a lot closer to being fascists than we have ever seen in this country. The Bush administration wasn't much better in this area, but they didn't fight for the amount of government control our current administration is seeking.

Actually Obama was nominated back then along with hundreds of others. It wasn't finalized until a few days ago. And the peace prize was most often given to people for their ideals and agendas to promote peace, not what they had accomplished. And I know the definition of fascism was taken off of wikipidia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions). Actually it is a merge of government and corporate interests. Sorry to tell you but leaving our fates to corporations is, well look at what has happened. I bet that you would love to give up everything run by the government and hand it over to private business. I'd love to see you do it, but you wouldn't. Go a head, we know that banks, wallstreet, healthcare, the private corporate militaries, prisons .... are run so well and really work for the best interest of the American People. GET REAL. Obama is really pushing towards fascism, yeah and we never won WWII. So trying to take control from private companies that continue to profit from people getting sick and dying and make it so that doesn't happen is fascist? Yeah, sure.. sorry puro but you are dead wrong. I love the VA healthcare, I've never been turned away and get top notch care. I also don't spend thousands of dollars for it. My wife had her ER visit declined and now am stuck with 4,000. Read about the millions of people being screwed by the health companies, not to mention the millions that are being run out of their homes and jobs due to the HIGh costs. This is just one example. The huge cuts in employment and destruction of manufacturing was due to less restrictions on private sector employers so they cut corners and laws to protect workers. READ all about it. I recommend you do some serious digging. Obviously debating with you is a loose end, along with many people who continue to ignore the FACTS. I just get tire of listening to you and many others HATE talk about Obama and the lies being posted. Sorry to bring some reality to the issue but I didn't spell out the entire laundry list of what bush and obama have done or didn't do. I didn't list every single thing that this country has F'd up on since the late 70's, but if you really want to know do some real research. I am finishing up my major for economics and political science and have done countless hours studying and the whole system is a mess. I know that no reform of anything is what your party wants, and the continued destruction of this country for average Americans. Look at all the policies they have enacted and have chipped away at policies that are/have been in place. I'm an independent and am not in awe over Obama or the democrats but I like the idea of change for the better. less government isn't always good, more government isn't always good, but total loss of government is bad and private control is horrible. I guess striping away the laws for American citizens is good. The patriot act, and opening the door to corporate welfare is the best I guess, among other things. You know the story of Superman right? How his father tried to warn the "political powers" about the SUN destroying their planet, well that was saw as a scary thing, so they went with the other scientists who said, no krypton is just shifting orbit or what-have-you.. we'll be okay. Well guess what, they were wrong. Why? Well because it's hard, very hard to look catastrophe in the face and really deal with a problem on a global scale, but it's much easier to just push it under the rug. So do what many Americans have done over the last few decades, close your eyes, and then wake up and realize that the bus left. I think American's in the majority have realized this, and hopefully they haven't been asleep too long. The future will tell what will happen. And while the rest of the world looks at OUR policies and laugh at how America has been turned over to private control where the democratic republic once stood maybe then all Americans will know the truth, maybe not.

My only responce is, what makes it the governments (aka THE TAXPAYERS) responsibility to pay for yours or anyone else medical bills? Where is that "right" granted to any of us?

Actually no, that isn't my only response. First of all you obviously have no idea that I believe in. You don't care either. You think because I disagree with you and Obama, that I am a Republican zombie through and through and you my friend are sadly mistaken. I do NOT like or agree with the majority of the Patriot Act. It is sad that just because someone doesn't agree with the President you call it HATE talk as if I'm calling for some radical take over of the country, yet you can slam President Bush 24/7 and that is constructive in your mind. I never called that hate speech, so why is it when they don't agree with you it is?

Don't sit there and pretend to know how much I have studied or what kind of education I have because it just makes you look like a wanna be elitest and it is very disrepectful. I have never been disrespectful to you and I would appreciate you keeping this on a civil level.

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Another note, the Nobel Peace Prize is for achievements in work towards peace. If you don't believe it go take a look at the Nobel site.

http://nobelprize.org/alfred_nobel/

Since 1901, the Nobel Prize has been honoring men and women from all corners of the globe for outstanding achievements in physics, chemistry, medicine, literature, and for work in peace. The foundations for the prize were laid in 1895 when Alfred Nobel wrote his last will, leaving much of his wealth to the establishment of the Nobel Prize. But who was Alfred Nobel? Articles, photographs, a slide show and poetry written by Nobel himself are presented here to give a glimpse of a man whose varied interests are reflected in the prize he established. Meet Alfred Nobel - scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, author and pacifist.

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... you went on that anti-Bush tirade like he was claiming that Bush deserved the Nobel Peace Price.



...but he didnt either.


Like it or not, Obama is tending to lean to the Fascist side.
I know, i know... the political left in this country has been claiming for years that the political right is Fascist so theres "no way that a liberal can be one"

BS to all of that malarkey.

both the left and the right have had a tendency to violate the rights of the individual in some form or another.

social programs are both a fascist idea and a communist idea. Hitler, after all, socialized medicine. (this is not a comparison of hitler and obama, it is just a fact to point out that social programs existed in a fascist regime)

there is a difference between them though...
Socialists believe in government ownership of the means of production. Fascists believed in government control of privately owned businesses, which is much more the style of this government. That way, politicians can intervene whenever they feel like it and then, when their interventions turn out badly, summon executives from the private sector before Congress and denounce them on nationwide television.
but ill stick with webster...
Fascist
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control


Communism
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively



based off of dictionary definitions (not philosophical definitions) Obama does tend to lean to the Fascist side.



if you can also support your claim that republicans want corporations to run the US (and have been) i would like to hear your argument.

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phobicsquirrel:

Actually Obama was nominated back then along with hundreds of others. It wasn't finalized until a few days ago. And the peace prize was most often given to people for their ideals and agendas to promote peace, not what they had accomplished.

thats wrong... just look at nobels website...

phobicsquirrel:

And I know the definition of fascism was taken off of wikipidia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions).

when i use any wiki page im told how unreliable it is. it seems that your definition has been taken off the table.

phobicsquirrel:

Actually it is a merge of government and corporate interests.

...forced into being by the government.

phobicsquirrel:

Sorry to tell you but leaving our fates to corporations is, well look at what has happened.

what? we became one of the most powerful, productive, wealthy, envied, technologically advanced, and most charitable countries in the history of the world?

wow. that does suck.

phobicsquirrel:

I bet that you would love to give up everything run by the government and hand it over to private business.

yes

phobicsquirrel:

I'd love to see you do it, but you wouldn't.

yes i would

phobicsquirrel:

Go a head, we know that banks, wallstreet, healthcare, the private corporate militaries, prisons .... are run so well and really work for the best interest of the American People. GET REAL.

they did before the government stuck their nose in everything. the government has a hand in regulating everything. we dont have the "free market" that you claim to hate so much. Government is way less efficiant than a corporation. why? because they dont have to turn a profit to exist. they dont have to answer to anyone.

absolute power corrupts absolutely

phobicsquirrel:

Obama is really pushing towards fascism, yeah and we never won WWII.

... how are these two connected?

phobicsquirrel:

So trying to take control from private companies that continue to profit from people getting sick and dying and make it so that doesn't happen is fascist?

no but a government forcing a company to deal with regulations with no regard to the company, the people involved or how much it costs IS fascist.

...and its very hard to turn a profit from a dead person...

phobicsquirrel:

Yeah, sure.. sorry puro but you are dead wrong.

you have yet to prove that.

phobicsquirrel:

I love the VA healthcare, I've never been turned away and get top notch care.

you are assuming that everyone has had the exact same experience as you have. MANY PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT FAR WORSE THAN YOU
...according to ABC

not to mention the death counseling that goes on there
...according to the wall street journal...

or any other of the references in this article.

phobicsquirrel:

I also don't spend thousands of dollars for it.

no, the American taxpayer is stuck with that bill....

phobicsquirrel:

My wife had her ER visit declined and now am stuck with 4,000.

declined by the insurance company?
did she get her health care?

phobicsquirrel:

Read about the millions of people being screwed by the health companies, not to mention the millions that are being run out of their homes and jobs due to the HIGh costs.

they are getting screwed by the company because they cannot afford a service that is made artificially expensive by mandates from the government requiting them to cover things they wouldnt cover. such as AIDS in california.
since you cannot be denied coverage if you have aids, and it costs more for your medical treatment than id you didnt have AIDS, it costs more for everyone, if the insurance company wants to remain open. this type of thing has happened all over the country, forcing premiums to skyrocket.
then when the "cost gets out of hand" they cart the CEOs of the insurance companies in front of a camera and blame the cost on them.
.... just like all other fascist governments have done in the past...

phobicsquirrel:

The huge cuts in employment and destruction of manufacturing was due to less restrictions on private sector employers so they cut corners and laws to protect workers.

i call BS on this.
the US is more regulated now through a combination of government agencies and taxes than it ever has before.
here is an A-Z Index of U.S. Government Departments and Agencies. All of these listed have some sort of regulation on your life, or the life of someone you may know.

AND

the US corporate Tax rate is one of the highest in the world. why wouldnt i go to a cheaper country to make a profit? its just plain dumb to set up shop where it costs more money to exist.

not to mention the entire HOUSING CRISIS...

when people cant sell things they cant afford to pay their employees. this leads to lay offs.
...and nobody has a "right" to a job.
you have a right to look for one, but not a right to have one.

the loss of jobs has to do with the loss of the credit market. if you cant buy big ticket items because of lack of credit, then those companies arent making money.

phobicsquirrel:

READ all about it. I recommend you do some serious digging. Obviously debating with you is a loose end, along with many people who continue to ignore the FACTS.

i always reference my claims. show me my facts are wrong without using a wiki page.

phobicsquirrel:

I just get tire of listening to you and many others HATE talk about Obama and the lies being posted.

i dont hate Obama. he seems like a nice guy. i just disagree with his policy.

prove that i am not being truthful.

phobicsquirrel:

... this country has F'd up on since the late 70's,

i agree.

phobicsquirrel:

less government isn't always good

the only time that this statement is true is if the only job of the government is to protect the rights of the individual.

phobicsquirrel:

more government isn't always good, but total loss of government is bad

i agree. the government has a roll and should play that roll ONLY.

phobicsquirrel:

and private control is horrible.

because people are too stupid to run their own lives? private control is what made this country great. we all had the right to live our lives as we saw fit (providing we did not infringe on the rights of others)...
then, as always happens, the government creeps in and tries to control our lives.

i have an idea. since you seem to like faceless power controlling you, how about i dictate Everything you do? what??!? you dont like that idea?!?!
how is a group of people controlling your life any different?

phobicsquirrel:

I guess striping away the laws for American citizens is good.

laws that protect the rights of the individual are good. any others are bad.

phobicsquirrel:

The patriot act, and opening the door to corporate welfare is the best I guess, among other things.

corporate welfare? like handing out american tax dollars to the auto industry?

phobicsquirrel:

You know the story of Superman right? How his father tried to warn the "political powers" about the SUN destroying their planet, well that was saw as a scary thing, so they went with the other scientists who said, no krypton is just shifting orbit or what-have-you.. we'll be okay. Well guess what, they were wrong. Why? Well because it's hard, very hard to look catastrophe in the face and really deal with a problem on a global scale, but it's much easier to just push it under the rug. So do what many Americans have done over the last few decades, close your eyes, and then wake up and realize that the bus left. I think American's in the majority have realized this, and hopefully they haven't been asleep too long. The future will tell what will happen. And while the rest of the world looks at OUR policies and laugh at how America has been turned over to private control where the democratic republic once stood maybe then all Americans will know the truth, maybe not.

yeah ... they have been asleep. asleep while our government has been taking rights away slowly....
...through taxes on things that dont need to be taxed, through government programs that create a dependence on the government, through regulations of privately owned businesses, through laws that attempt to control behavior that does not violate the rights of others...

but you are right.
America is waking up.


we want our rights back.

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Case in point, no amount of proof will let you see the truth. If less government and more control of corporations really worked then the state of US economic problems that are going on now would not be there. Yes and america is waking up, look at the last election.

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you seem to be making conflicting arguments... are you in favor or government control of corporatrions or not?

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phobicsquirrel:

Case in point, no amount of proof will let you see the truth. If less government and more control of corporations really worked then the state of US economic problems that are going on now would not be there. Yes and america is waking up, look at the last election.

we have yet to try less government.

less government is less control over corporations. i dont understand your comment at all here.

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wanna see america wake up? ... look at the NEXT elections.

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phobicsquirrel:

Case in point, no amount of proof will let you see the truth. If less government and more control of corporations really worked then the state of US economic problems that are going on now would not be there. Yes and america is waking up, look at the last election.

This doesn't make any sense. In the last 30 years the amount of government control over corporations has grown faster than in any time in our history and things have gone to sh*t... How does that prove your point?

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