Yeah, great points Vulchor. Killing babies is awesome! Let's allow tax monies in a health care bill to be used to kill more kids WOOOHOOO! Ya great! Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent children is an issue that impacts people.
Not saying people here are simpletons..just saying it takes more brains to engage in critical thinking. Save it. You think conservatives are as dumb as your leaders do. They know people have figured them out, that's why all this health stuff is in full gear. Oh and terrorist are bad. Understand a smidgen about Jihad and Muslims, obviously you don't understand their mentality.
And the family is why this country is great, that is why it is such an important issue. Look up stats on whole families as opposed to broken ones. Do some research before you chime back in.
Conservatives stand for something, liberals stand for nothing... and you guys can't stand it.
Phobic... on par for a Portland guy with the teabagger comment. You higher thinkers sure can stoop low.

I'm not going to go into any of my political thoughts, but I will say it surely is amusing to see grown men get their panties in knots on internet forums.

Can't stand much FOX, bent over right. MSNBC morning Joe's ok, the rest of MSNBC is bent too far left. All kinds of people think they're being patriotic by calling themselves "conservative". If you're an American "conservative", aren't you "conserving" the LIBERAL ideas that founded this country? These would be the LIBERAL notions that all men are created equal, that 99% of us do not exist merely to serve the pleasure of the wealthy and powerful? The LIBERAL notion that commoners can own property and have a say in their own government. Europe was not in any way headed toward socialism when we broke away, it was a collection of monarchies, nothing socialist about it. The sad truth is that most folks think that they need to support the Republicans to save them from the Democrats, or support the Democrats to save them from the Republicans, when in fact the whole thing is like a Marx Brothers movie: the two major parties are Groucho and Harpo keeping your attention elsewhere while Zeppo (Wall St.) picks your pockets clean.

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Amos Umwhat:

Can't stand much FOX, bent over right. MSNBC morning Joe's ok, the rest of MSNBC is bent too far left. All kinds of people think they're being patriotic by calling themselves "conservative". If you're an American "conservative", aren't you "conserving" the LIBERAL ideas that founded this country? These would be the LIBERAL notions that all men are created equal, that 99% of us do not exist merely to serve the pleasure of the wealthy and powerful? The LIBERAL notion that commoners can own property and have a say in their own government. Europe was not in any way headed toward socialism when we broke away, it was a collection of monarchies, nothing socialist about it. The sad truth is that most folks think that they need to support the Republicans to save them from the Democrats, or support the Democrats to save them from the Republicans, when in fact the whole thing is like a Marx Brothers movie: the two major parties are Groucho and Harpo keeping your attention elsewhere while Zeppo (Wall St.) picks your pockets clean.

I keep thinking about this too. The men at the first constitutional convention were some visionary thinkers. Too bad things have moved so far away from that. I see your LIBERAL ideas above. IMO this more progressive (probably I'm just getting hung up on terminology) than liberal or conservative. Add separation of church and state to that list. I'm sure established governments at the time were getting a real chuckle out of that one.

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Amos Umwhat:

Can't stand much FOX, bent over right. MSNBC morning Joe's ok, the rest of MSNBC is bent too far left. All kinds of people think they're being patriotic by calling themselves "conservative". If you're an American "conservative", aren't you "conserving" the LIBERAL ideas that founded this country? These would be the LIBERAL notions that all men are created equal, that 99% of us do not exist merely to serve the pleasure of the wealthy and powerful? The LIBERAL notion that commoners can own property and have a say in their own government. Europe was not in any way headed toward socialism when we broke away, it was a collection of monarchies, nothing socialist about it. The sad truth is that most folks think that they need to support the Republicans to save them from the Democrats, or support the Democrats to save them from the Republicans, when in fact the whole thing is like a Marx Brothers movie: the two major parties are Groucho and Harpo keeping your attention elsewhere while Zeppo (Wall St.) picks your pockets clean.

I keep thinking about this too. The men at the first constitutional convention were some visionary thinkers. Too bad things have moved so far away from that. I see your LIBERAL ideas above. IMO this more progressive (probably I'm just getting hung up on terminology) than liberal or conservative. Add separation of church and state to that list. I'm sure established governments at the time were getting a real chuckle out of that one.

Good points peeps. Both the parties are severely screwed up that is for sure.

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PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.

See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.

Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.

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24footjet:

Yeah, great points Vulchor. Killing babies is awesome! Let's allow tax monies in a health care bill to be used to kill more kids WOOOHOOO! Ya great! Killing hundreds of thousands of innocent children is an issue that impacts people.
Not saying people here are simpletons..just saying it takes more brains to engage in critical thinking. Save it. You think conservatives are as dumb as your leaders do. They know people have figured them out, that's why all this health stuff is in full gear. Oh and terrorist are bad. Understand a smidgen about Jihad and Muslims, obviously you don't understand their mentality.
And the family is why this country is great, that is why it is such an important issue. Look up stats on whole families as opposed to broken ones. Do some research before you chime back in.
Conservatives stand for something, liberals stand for nothing... and you guys can't stand it.
Phobic... on par for a Portland guy with the teabagger comment. You higher thinkers sure can stoop low.

Name 3 things conservatives have done that were for the good of the country? Kill babies? WTF? You people are all about the fetus but once they become a person they are worthless, besides what is it to anyone other than the person that is having a baby. And tax dollars to kill kids? Well we all pay taxes, and the last 8 years a few people lied this country into a war which killed thousands of kids along with our own people. Conservative aren't dumb, though a lot of them are very easily misled. I can say the same thing about liberals though liberals largely want to help the common-wealth of the country and are against killing people over materials. Also liberals are more inclined to promote jobs that are based in this country not outsourced or part of a large corporation and fight to keep jobs here. Also conservatism is not what is sounds like. If it was then say Single Payer healthcare would have passed with flying colors as it would save millions if not billions of dollars.

Oh and tea bagger is fine. These people wore tea bags on their heads, I think some have their mind way too far in the gutter.

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phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.

See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.

Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.

The fact that you keep personally attacking anyone with a different view from yours, like callin the tea parties tea baggers, just shows that you don't care about what is or is not true. You talk about lies but have shown none on the health care debate. Until yesterday we didn't even know what was in the latest health care proposal. That's ok though, you keep trashing Fox News while you get your news from more reliable sources like the huffington post and evey other liberal blogger out there like they preach the gospel, while the government continues to rob us of our rights daily. The fact remains, the government is stripping us of our freedom every day but you still defend it as long as there isn't an R in front of their name. You can say that isn't true all you want, but as long as you keep preaching about the wonders of a single payer system, which would bankrupt our country and destroy the quality of health care we currently have, it shows that you don't care about freedom, you care about what the government can do for you no matter what the cost to the nation. What news sources I choose to view really doesn't matter, I don't want liberals from either party to continue their assault on the values our country was founded on.

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PuroFreak:

phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.

See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.

Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.

The fact that you keep personally attacking anyone with a different view from yours, like callin the tea parties tea baggers, just shows that you don't care about what is or is not true. You talk about lies but have shown none on the health care debate. Until yesterday we didn't even know what was in the latest health care proposal. That's ok though, you keep trashing Fox News while you get your news from more reliable sources like the huffington post and evey other liberal blogger out there like they preach the gospel, while the government continues to rob us of our rights daily. The fact remains, the government is stripping us of our freedom every day but you still defend it as long as there isn't an R in front of their name. You can say that isn't true all you want, but as long as you keep preaching about the wonders of a single payer system, which would bankrupt our country and destroy the quality of health care we currently have, it shows that you don't care about freedom, you care about what the government can do for you no matter what the cost to the nation. What news sources I choose to view really doesn't matter, I don't want liberals from either party to continue their assault on the values our country was founded on.

I've shown a lot of things that have been lied about just healthcare in these bills now bill. You just don't read it or don't look at it. I've even posted links. Values? The vaules that you bring as you've said many times obviously is something I don't want. I am for helping people and making lives better. That would be a single payer system for healthcare, though you are fine with lining the pockets of a slect few who continue to deny people and cut them from their healthcare, thus making massive profits. I'm for keeping jobs here in this country from companies that are based in America not outsourcing and cutting jobs and wages. Which your party has continued to do over and over again. I am saving our freedoms, though your own party pushed the patriot act which is a severe breech of freedoms, gave multi billions to wall street and the banks (thank you bush and paulson) but oh no, when the American Auto Companies need a loan, we can't have that. When are you going to understand that your party left you a long time ago or maybe you just see things that way. I know many Republicans who left the "party" just from the way they have acted. I am an Independent and am very upset with Obama. Oh and your party is so for WAR but when helping out your own citizens you could care less. Trillions of dollars for WAR but the commons are, well expendable.

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phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

phobicsquirrel:

PuroFreak:

Vulchor:

Fox News works for the same reason that Busweiser works----its easy and its comfortable for the "lowest common demoninator". Not saying people here are simpletons, or that they dont have intelligent people on their side----just saying it takes more brains to question and engage in critical thinking than it does to say that we need to proect the traditional family at all costs and that terorrists are bad....People who watch other news agencies seem to be able to progress a little beyond the "fun to talk about issues" like abortion and death panels and on to a true conversation about issues that impact people.

See the exact same thing can be said for MSLSD or CNN. It takes some brains to question the President and not just praise him for every move he makes. That's where Fox News comes in. They aren't for the "lowest common denominator," they just go after the issues main stream media refuses to go after. They hold the current administration accountable and everyone loved doing this during the Bush administration, but now that the anointed one is in office, they don't feel it is necessary.

Lol, I find that one hard to believe. Fox lables itself news, though it isn't. MSNBC does not. A big difference. Also most shows on MSNBC call people out and actually look into a story for the fact. Just watching Fox News about the healthcare debate, which they seem to promote the lies brought out by corporate funded freedom works, and republicans who have no ideas and just want democrats to fail and will make anything up. The shows that I have seen like chris oberman or rachel maddow actually look at the bills and will show what they have in there, vs Fox which will just spew crap from michelle bachman's mouth. The whole terrorism thing is another one, hell fox has cheney on there as much as they can spewing his BS, the very same man who was in control during 911!!! Irony at its worse. I do think both networks have issues, one such thing that really made me mad was when thousands of gay people marched on washington but there was little or no coverage of it. But several hundred tea baggers get together and FOX is all over it as well as most other networks. Its laughable but at the same time very very sad.

The fact that you keep personally attacking anyone with a different view from yours, like callin the tea parties tea baggers, just shows that you don't care about what is or is not true. You talk about lies but have shown none on the health care debate. Until yesterday we didn't even know what was in the latest health care proposal. That's ok though, you keep trashing Fox News while you get your news from more reliable sources like the huffington post and evey other liberal blogger out there like they preach the gospel, while the government continues to rob us of our rights daily. The fact remains, the government is stripping us of our freedom every day but you still defend it as long as there isn't an R in front of their name. You can say that isn't true all you want, but as long as you keep preaching about the wonders of a single payer system, which would bankrupt our country and destroy the quality of health care we currently have, it shows that you don't care about freedom, you care about what the government can do for you no matter what the cost to the nation. What news sources I choose to view really doesn't matter, I don't want liberals from either party to continue their assault on the values our country was founded on.

I've shown a lot of things that have been lied about just healthcare in these bills now bill. You just don't read it or don't look at it. I've even posted links. Values? The vaules that you bring as you've said many times obviously is something I don't want. I am for helping people and making lives better. That would be a single payer system for healthcare, though you are fine with lining the pockets of a slect few who continue to deny people and cut them from their healthcare, thus making massive profits. I'm for keeping jobs here in this country from companies that are based in America not outsourcing and cutting jobs and wages. Which your party has continued to do over and over again. I am saving our freedoms, though your own party pushed the patriot act which is a severe breech of freedoms, gave multi billions to wall street and the banks (thank you bush and paulson) but oh no, when the American Auto Companies need a loan, we can't have that. When are you going to understand that your party left you a long time ago or maybe you just see things that way. I know many Republicans who left the "party" just from the way they have acted. I am an Independent and am very upset with Obama. Oh and your party is so for WAR but when helping out your own citizens you could care less. Trillions of dollars for WAR but the commons are, well expendable.

Well first of all you have not EVER heard me say I'm a republican, because I'm not a registered member of any party. But thanks for thinking you know what I stand for. I do not agree with the Patriot Act. I think there were good parts of it, but as a whole I was not for it. You keep acting like I follow a strict party line but that just shows that you have not listened a think I have said anywhere on here. The only one on here I have heard say they are a registered Republican is Vulchor, and that is laughable... You can keep spouting the same tired old slogans of the left like "you're for corporate control" and "you're lining the pockets of big business," but in reality I'm for building wealth for everyone from the bottom to the top. I'm for more personal freedom and more personal responsibility. I'm not for the government taking over businesses in any way or bailing them out. Let them fail! Let the be responsible for their own greed. THAT will fix this country. If you don't like my values, then you clearly don't like the values set forth by the founders of this nation and you, much like the rest of the left in this country, don't think our Constitution is worth the paper it is printed on. I tend to think those guys had it right when we broke away from the European track towards socialism...

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Amos Umwhat:

Can't stand much FOX, bent over right. MSNBC morning Joe's ok, the rest of MSNBC is bent too far left. All kinds of people think they're being patriotic by calling themselves "conservative". If you're an American "conservative", aren't you "conserving" the LIBERAL ideas that founded this country? These would be the LIBERAL notions that all men are created equal, that 99% of us do not exist merely to serve the pleasure of the wealthy and powerful? The LIBERAL notion that commoners can own property and have a say in their own government. Europe was not in any way headed toward socialism when we broke away, it was a collection of monarchies, nothing socialist about it. The sad truth is that most folks think that they need to support the Republicans to save them from the Democrats, or support the Democrats to save them from the Republicans, when in fact the whole thing is like a Marx Brothers movie: the two major parties are Groucho and Harpo keeping your attention elsewhere while Zeppo (Wall St.) picks your pockets clean.

Our country was not founded on radical principles. It is directly based off the principles of Ancient Greece and Rome. Starting with the entire idea of freedom started in Athens, democracy which was started in Athens, and a balanced constitution and government which was primarily seen in Sparta of all places in Greece. The Roman Republic was one of the main places the Founding Fathers looked to for guidance/liberty. Men like Cicero and Cato fought and died for liberty in the end of the days of the Republic. In a great display of historical irony, the Romans were far, far more free both economically and socially under the Caesars for the first few hundred years.

Unfortunately for our country, our downfall began during the American Civil War when Lincoln destroyed all state power and crushed that balance of power. While we credit Lincoln (and rightly so) with many great things, we will never be able to go back to our Founding principles the way our government is currently structured - far too much Federal Control. We are essentially now like the Roman Empire as far as a central governement, EXCEPT that now we have a massive and bloated central government that is completely incompetent, corrupt, and inefficient. Basically we have the strong central government but without the streamlined control of a single central figure. We're pretty much screwed, lol.

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Our founding Fathers would be appalled at the level of corruption of the Federal Govt and our professional politicians. They always intended for the States to be preiminent, the citizens armed to protect themselves from their Govt, men to be free from unreasonble taxation, and for men to prosper from their own industry. Suggested reading: The US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

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fla-gypsy:

Our founding Fathers would be appalled at the level of corruption of the Federal Govt and our professional politicians. They always intended for the States to be preiminent, the citizens armed to protect themselves from their Govt, men to be free from unreasonble taxation, and for men to prosper from their own industry. Suggested reading: The US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Agreed, way, WAY too much corruption in our political system.

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phobicsquirrel:

fla-gypsy:

Our founding Fathers would be appalled at the level of corruption of the Federal Govt and our professional politicians. They always intended for the States to be preiminent, the citizens armed to protect themselves from their Govt, men to be free from unreasonble taxation, and for men to prosper from their own industry. Suggested reading: The US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Agreed, way, WAY too much corruption in our political system.

Yet you want to hand over one sixth of our entire economy over to this corrupt government with a single payer system? How does that honestly sound like it will fix anything?

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I am a registered Republican for the record----just disappointed my party has gone away from alot of ideals it used to stand for. As for the guy with the fish in his pic (whose name escapes me) Squirrel retorted on my behalf and will just leave it prertty much at that, as the anger on behalf of fetuses and the concern over the family unit as opposed to fixing real issues like healthcare, economy, and immigration were prefectly displayed to show my ida of lowest common denominator-----Why go after isues that could cause you to lose your seat in congress when it would be much easier to talk about why 2 gays guys can bring about the downfall of our Republic?

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