Yeah well all you kids need some adult supervision, don't want things to get out of hand. BTW anyone following the auto industry vs Govt? anyone find it odd that paulson and company (bush admin too) will fork over billions to banks and Iraqi economics but doesn't seem very interested in "loaning" money to an industry that is on the verge of Bankruptsy and where thousands if not millions (considering all the effects of what this will do to people not working in the plants) of jobs?

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all i notice is that more and more things are putting their hands out to the government for more and more money. i dont remember where, but i even heard that there may be a bailout for the medical field soon too. health care costs are not effected as much by market demands and since people have less money they cant pay and hospitals are losing out more and more.

so we now have a financial system being held up by government, a bail out for the auto industry being debated, rumors of a health care bailout, talks of a government 401k buyout, a president-elect that has made statements about spreading the wealth around, a congress that has made statements about nationalizing the US oil industry, and a social/economic climate that is dangerous and scary to millions.

I have a hard time seeing that we are NOT heading down a socialist path.

when will the bailouts end? why are we bailing out the financial system? we should take our knocks now and only help the people who have issues stemming from this... not causing it.

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kuzi, I agree with you. I think it will just continue, it needs to stop. I'm all for letting these companies fail, as there are many other small organizations that have new tech which is being hindered by these larger companies that are doing the same old thing.

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Just an observation/musing -- executive bonuses(any industry),salary again any industry, professional atheletes (any sport) . Is there really any ONE person worth 80,90,100,120 million dollars a year. I know the revenue argument about what they generate for their team,city etc. But really, unless you could lay your hands on someone and cure say cancer or aids or insert your own worst imaginable disease here , is any one human being worth that much money in one year. Please only members making less than 100,000,000.00 a year should respond to this question as any making more than that I am sure is biased as hell !!!

That leaves me out.

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Yup...missed it by ten bucks! Would you believe that? :(
But of course that's Canadian ;)

I would have made that but there's a problem, I didn't sell my soul...

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One reason it will be an ongoing process to "fix" the economy and one of the main problems with american socio-economics is on full display in the following video. Enjoy, but you must watch all the way thru as the last 30 seconds tell the real story. Not that long so won't be hard to watch. Very interesting.

http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

Here's a really, really interesting article about how the workings of Wall Street led to this situation, by the guy who wrote Moneyball. He was a stock broker in an earlier career.

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read lewis' book years ago. (liars poker) wall street deserves their fair share of credit/blame however there were plenty of idiots on BOTH sides of that table.

Ok, I'm going to keep this short but there has been something eating at me for days now while watching the news. Why is it when Hamas launches rockets into Isreal and sends in homocide bombers into crowded markets and cafes, is it considered to be no big deal, but when Isreal gets fed up and strikes back to protect their people they are considered the bad guy???
I've watched protesters on the news talk about how Isreal is the terrorist group and that action should be taken against them and it really pisses me off. I don't understand how anyone can see this so one sided.

Lets just put this into perspective, say you have a neighbor that keeps throwing rocks and bricks through your window everyday and the police (aka the UN) won't do anything to stop them or punish them, don't you think you would get sick of it and eventualy take matters into your own hands???

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"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan

not only that but the day the treaty ends Hamas starts lobbing rockets into Israel. They are the ones that broke the cease-fire. they had it coming to them.




If the enemies of Israel lay down their arms there would be peace. If Israel lay down their arms there would be no Israel.

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kuzi16:

If the enemies of Israel lay down their arms there would be peace. If Israel lay down their arms there would be no Israel.

awesome freakin' point Kuz

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PuroFreak:

I've watched protesters on the news talk about how Isreal is the terrorist group and that action should be taken against them and it really pisses me off. I don't understand how anyone can see this so one sided.

I believe that perception to mainly be a product of corrupt, biased special interest owned media. I dont even watch the news anymore, if it's important i'll read about it on the message traffic at work, and ive been hearing abot israel for a few weeks. We have 2 carriers in that region and one 24 hours away, but within immediate striking distance with tanker support. What has ME concerned is good ol' W went public saying that the hamas rocket chucking is "an act of terror" I agree with that, in context, but everytime it seems W gets a new "act of terror" target, we get involved.

Israel is a fine line. Protect them and it shows the rest or the radical muslim world you've chosen sides and now were free game(not like 9/11 didnt prove that). Dont protect Israel to the point that they collapse, and every radical movement over there that believes Israel is "their" holy land.....aaaaand that narrows it down to all of them, will have a free for all and there will be jihad the likes of which the world has never seen. All in all i agree with what israel is doing. Hamas broke the cease fire, started slinging rockets....a LOT of them and Israel conducts a bombing campaign specifically targeting hamas's leaders, members, training, supply and management areas. They move troops and armor to the border, not invading, just to the border. Yes there has been civilian collateral damages....welcome to war, sucks doesnt it? But the media loves to focus on that!! "A high school exploded today when a Israeli dropped bomb went off target and exploded, missing it's intended target". Now israel is the bad guy....blame the pilot? The Plane? The bomb? The wonderful thing is that Israel's society....pay attention here....accepts that as part of war. It accepts that there will be collateral damage, most often civilian. Where are the Israelis protesters to stop the war??? Yeah didnt think so. If our society had a stronger stomcach and a few other words which will be auto-edited, we wouldnt be in the situation were in now with Iraq/Afghanistan, anyone getting vietnam flashbacks yet....Ok, Jet's flame is off

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