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Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

Last post 09-17-2008, 4:44 PM by BigDan.. 23 replies.
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  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-14-2008, 11:21 AM

    and to extend the point...

    the perfecto and pyramid shape have a constantly changing wrapper to filler ratio therefore it is more complex.

    i guess it should be noted that a cigar gets 40%- 60% of its taste from the wrapper. thats why the ratio is so important.
    Kuzi's cigar catalog blending 101 developing your palate
  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-14-2008, 1:52 PM

    so why isnt the filler to wrapper ratio posted on the information for the cigar on ccom? or any other site?
    -living the good life-
  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-14-2008, 2:04 PM

    BigDan.:
    so why isnt the filler to wrapper ratio posted on the information for the cigar on ccom? or any other site?
    I think that would kind of be like expecting every automobile to list the exact ratio of each type of pigment versus metallic flake per square inch...

    1: These things are rolled by hand... As close as they try, it's not like every one is going to be exactly the same and exactly perfect... Not to mention the figurados change for every cross section...

    2: Why does it matter? Do you care about the ratio of paint to flake in your car? No, all you care about is rather you like the color or not... Why worry about the exact ratio of wrapper to filler (nevermind binder) in a cigar??? All that matters is rather you like it or not...

    If you just mean so you'd know which ones have more wrapper versus filler, etc... That's pretty self explanitory... The smaller diameter the cigar, the more wrapper to filler you'll have...

    I guess what I'm trying to get across is that there are SO many factors that completely change the taste of a cigar... The only thing you can really do is get some idea of the profiles you like and try them... If you like them, great... If not, great... ;)

    Relax... Smoke a cigar... Like it or don't like it... Stick out tongue [:P]
    Luko:
    Just keep in mind if you do, you're pissing off a dude who shaves with a sword.
  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-14-2008, 9:15 PM

    haha i should have thought about that. the smaller the gauge the more the wrapper has an effect duhh right. and hell ya to relaxin and smoking a cigar haha i dont always have time i only get a few days a week to smoke and i nvr have time on the weekends so i try to learn as much as possible for now. wat i need is a big as humidor to fill :)
    -living the good life-
  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-14-2008, 9:48 PM

    kuzi16:
    BigDan.:
    hmm that makes sense but at the same time idk wtf ur talking about a lil too much bacardi tonite
    lay off the sauce!!!

    ...i didnt want it to come down to this, but it has to.

    math

    wrapper to filler ratio is basicly how much tobacco is made up filler vs. how much is filler.
    first we have to make a few minor asumptions:
    1) the part of the cigar that is burning and the part that is just about to be burned is infinatley thin. so at one instant its not burning and immediatly after, it is --making it two dimentional.
    2) the wrapper has a width of 1/64 of an inch.

    we have to make these assumtions so that we have:
    a) a surface area calculation only
    b)a relativly easy set of numbers to work with.

    Cigar "A" has a ring guage of 50. Cigar "B" has a ring guage of 40. if we look at the foot of each of these cigars we will be looking at two circles within circles. (the inner circle represents the filler of each cigar). Cigar "A" has a diameter of 50/64 and that means a radius of 25/64ths. since Area = Pi times radius squared we can figure out the surface area of the foot of the cigar. so:

    3.14 x (25/64 x 25/64 ) = 0.4791 (ish) inches squared.

    that is the entire surface area of the foot of the cigar. we need the wrapper's surface area only. we get that by subtracting out the surface area of the filler. this is where assumption number two comes in. if the wrapper is 1/64th of an inch thick then the filler diameter must be 48/64ths of an inch or a radius of 24/64ths therefore the surface area of the filler alone is:

    3.14 x (24/64 x 24/64) = 0.4415 (ish)

    now we must subtract out the filler surface area from the entire area to get the surface area of the wrapper alone.

    wrapper surface area = 0.4791 - 0.4415 = .0376

    to get the wrapper to filler ratio you devide the wrapper surface area by the filler surface area:

    0.0376/0.4415 = .08516(ish)

    ok ... now for the cigar with a ring guage of 40...

    total surface area = 3.14 x (20/64 x 20/64) = 0.3066ish

    filler surface area = 3.14 x (19/64 x 19/64) = 0.2767 ish

    wrapper surface alone = 0.3066 - 0.2767 = .0299

    Wrapper to filler ratio = 0.0299/0.2767 = 0.1080

    on the smaller cigar (cigar "B") the ratio produced a larger number than on the larger cigar (cigar "A") 0.8516 is less than 0.1080

    therefore smaller ring guage cigars have a higher wrapper to filler ratio and therefore have a different flavor than the same cigar rolled with the same tobacco and rolled larger. any questions?

    this is why the lancero size is becomming popular.



    dont make me do math this early in the morning on my day off again.
    Whoa... you just leave math outta this... the only math I need is the how much Money can buy me more sticks...

    If math is involved I'm not interested!

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  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-14-2008, 10:21 PM

    I love math, and I've got the trophies to prove it :)
    phobicsquirrel:
    ummm milk it..
  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-17-2008, 3:39 PM

    dutyje:
    I love math, and I've got the trophies to prove it :)
    You also have an odd love for all things excel.
  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-17-2008, 4:39 PM

    dutyje:
    I love math, and I've got the trophies to prove it :)
    Crazy Mathletes coming into our forums, classing up the joint!

    Who Farted?
  • Re: Wrappers Blends and Tobacco

     09-17-2008, 4:44 PM

    i think we would be better off with a agriculturalist haha just kidding, i envy you math genius's i cant do that kind of *** to save my life
    -living the good life-
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