I never got the nut flavors. All I got from it was power and spice. Not a bad thing necessarily but not very complex either. The local B&M has it in a lancero, I'm curious about that Vitola bc the Ligero would be less apparent with such a large wrapper to binder ratio IMO.

madurofan:

I never got the nut flavors. All I got from it was power and spice. Not a bad thing necessarily but not very complex either. The local B&M has it in a lancero, I'm curious about that Vitola bc the Ligero would be less apparent with such a large wrapper to binder ratio IMO.

i agree.
Im also almost 100% that i smoke slower than almost everyone that posts here. Im sure that helps draw out more subtle flavors.

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kuzi16:

[Im also almost 100% that i smoke slower than almost everyone that posts here. Im sure that helps draw out more subtle flavors.

Most likely.

I had one of these a while back but I didn't smoke that slow. It was a torpedo, 6x52 or so and it took me about 2 hours to smoke. I didn't pick up on the nutty flavors either, but I had some burn issues with it. I thought it was a good smoke, but not as good as the Mx2. I have yet to try the Cx2 so I'll have to add that one to my list.

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2-26-09 been in humi since 7-14-08
Oliva Serie O Perfecto (5x55)
Wrapper: Nicaraguan
Binder: Nicaraguan
Filler: Nicaraguan

The cigar looks smaller than the posted 5 x 55 size. It is slightly fuzzy to the touch but looks smooth. The smell is very earthy in nature. The lick on the cap is light and earthy. The cut is easy with the double guillotine. The draw is again earthy with maybe a hint of black licorice.

The tiny foot makes lighting very quick. The first few puffs bring on a woody ashy taste and a bit of char. I hope it is due to a poor light. Once it settles a bit the char settles out a bit but not 100%. It tastes distinctly Nicaraguan to me (a bit papery and pulpy) and a generic chemical as well.

Getting to the first ash, the strange char amps up again. If it keeps up, I will have to cut this short.

At just over an inch and a half in I am done, and so are my taste buds.

Burn: 8
Draw: 9
Taste: 5
Aftertaste: 4
Construction: 9
Appearance: 8
Feel: 4 … it actually made me feel bad.

Overall: 6.7
2 smoke rings (of 6) -- a flawed cigar


There are a few thoughts here.
Usually I don’t like Nicaraguan tobacco vs. Honduran or Dominican. There was more to this than that.
There was something wrong with this cigar. Something happened to it. It can’t just be that it is a Nicaraguan Puro. I have had Nicaraguan Puros before, and they were better than this. I may have to give it another shot at some point but not any time soon.

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I've gotten that chemical taste before. Not in an Oliva but in other cigars. It made me sick as well. I'm not sure what it is but I know what you're talking about.

Ick. I can only think you got a bad one, kuz. I've smoked a lot of those, and never had an experience like what you describe. It's one of my favorite perfectos.

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madurofan:

I've gotten that chemical taste before. Not in an Oliva but in other cigars. It made me sick as well. I'm not sure what it is but I know what you're talking about.

reminds me of the Bolivar I had.

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phobicsquirrel:

ummm milk it..

Kuzi your detection skills are keen as a wolfs sight! I wasn't a fan of that cigar as well, but didn't get all of that taste you describe.

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madurofan:

I've gotten that chemical taste before. Not in an Oliva but in other cigars. It made me sick as well. I'm not sure what it is but I know what you're talking about.

I've gotten an overwhelming metallic chemical taste from a Gurkha Triple Ligero...it was so bad that it literally stuck on my throat and would not go away, could not even be washed away by another cigar and copious amounts of water. Damn near made me sick.

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This sounds like the experience I had with my first Oliva Serie V. I think I described it at the time as like huffing insecticide.

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I'm glad I never had that experience with the Serie V, never would have found how much I enjoy that blend. I do remember when you posted that now that you mention it. I think I have one of those original lanceros left...one of these days. :)

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it was a big let down. and it stuck around too. over 12 hours after the first puff and i still ahve this horrible char/chemical taste in my mouth. ... i even brushed my teeth ate.... TWICE

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Sorry to hear that, kuz. I really do think you got a bum stogie, but I know that doesn't make a lot of difference. Once you've had an experience like that with a cigar (or a drink or a meal), it's hard to overcome.

I've smoked one of those lanceros you sent me, Joe. It was definitely a better experience. I'm a little skirred of these double toros that Doogie sent me, though.

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im sure ill go back to it. there isnt another cigar that the oliva family puts out that i dont like. ... and they do put out one of my favorite all time sticks: El Cobre!!

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