lol. My current facebook status reads; "I can't believe Obama/friends are claiming the $940B health care bill is going to reduce the deficite in 10 years. Does anyone actually believe this garbage? What kind of ignorant people do they think we are that we would believe something so ridiculous?"

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I think Obama's latest interview w/ FOX News's Bret Baier spoke volumes about what garbage this health care bill is. I'm not a big fan of any news source, so I pick up on the hot topics on drudge or yahoo or any other condensed news source. This quote really hit home with me about what kind of President we've voted for: "I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are in the House or Senate."

WHAT?????

The man used to be a US Senator for Christ's sake!!!!

And after a year of trying to pass one of the most controversial bills in the history of this country, he's gonna poo-poo the rules and regs of the House and Senate?????

I am not a fan of Obama's never have been, never will be. I watched him in action back in '96 when he systematically tore apart one of his own to gain a seat in the Illinois Senate. If you ever wanna do some digging, read into that election. It'll open your eyes about what kind of person and politician Obama is.

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PuroFreak:

This will put the IRS in charge of collecting fines on people who don't have health insurance. That's right the IRS... The most useless and ruthless government agency on the planet will now have even MORE control over our daily lives. How could anyone in their right minds possibly think that is a good thing?

the fact that ANY agency will be able to collect fines because i dont buy a product is the problem. having the IRS do it is only a tiny point.
if i dont want insurance, i shouldnt have to get it.

the government does not understand that this is my body. i own it. i can use it, abuse it, protect it, or be as reckless as i want to be with it, so long as i do not violate the rights of others.

TatuajeVI:

lol. My current facebook status reads; "I can't believe Obama/friends are claiming the $940B health care bill is going to reduce the deficite in 10 years. Does anyone actually believe this garbage? What kind of ignorant people do they think we are that we would believe something so ridiculous?"

10 years of taxes and 6 years of service (both ending on the same date about 10 years out) is what the CBO was projecting.

what about the 10 years after that? the ten years when we have 10 years of taxes and 10 years of service will not budget out the same at all.

this type of budget expense lie is not new. Social Security in the 30's and 40's made similar claims about how much people would pay over time. Had Congress lived up to its promise it made in the 30's, our maximum Social Security tax this year would be $90 instead of over $6,000.

thats not the worst of it.
a government pamphlet explaining Social Security stated this: "Beginning Nov. 24, 1936, the United States government will set up a Social Security account for you. ... The checks will come to you as a right."
the problem is, we actually have no right to our Social Security contributions whatsoever.
two court cases show this the first (Helvering vs. Davis (1937)) said "The proceeds of both employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in anyway."
meaning that its just another tax that the government can use how it wishes
and the the second (Fleming vs. Nestor (1960)) said "To engraft upon Social Security system a concept of 'accrued property rights' would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands."

the Social Security website (www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html) says, "Entitlement to Social Security benefits is not (a) contractual right." Adding, "There has been a temptation throughout the program's history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes entitle them to a benefit in a legal, contractual sense"

why does this worry me? because health care is being sold as a "right" paid for by tax payers... just like Social Security.

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Down-right scary regarding SS. It's funny - from the time I was very young, I never assumed I would ever be getting any of that back. I remember my parents explaining to me what SS was and how the program was going to fail before I got to retirement age anyway. Heh.

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TatuajeVI:

Down-right scary regarding SS. It's funny - from the time I was very young, I never assumed I would ever be getting any of that back. I remember my parents explaining to me what SS was and how the program was going to fail before I got to retirement age anyway. Heh.

Always assumed I'd never see this either. My parents are retirement age, still work part time because despite working full time from 18 on, their payments still suck.

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kuzi16:

PuroFreak:

This will put the IRS in charge of collecting fines on people who don't have health insurance. That's right the IRS... The most useless and ruthless government agency on the planet will now have even MORE control over our daily lives. How could anyone in their right minds possibly think that is a good thing?

the fact that ANY agency will be able to collect fines because i dont buy a product is the problem. having the IRS do it is only a tiny point.
if i dont want insurance, i shouldnt have to get it.

the government does not understand that this is my body. i own it. i can use it, abuse it, protect it, or be as reckless as i want to be with it, so long as i do not violate the rights of others.

TatuajeVI:

lol. My current facebook status reads; "I can't believe Obama/friends are claiming the $940B health care bill is going to reduce the deficite in 10 years. Does anyone actually believe this garbage? What kind of ignorant people do they think we are that we would believe something so ridiculous?"

10 years of taxes and 6 years of service (both ending on the same date about 10 years out) is what the CBO was projecting.

what about the 10 years after that? the ten years when we have 10 years of taxes and 10 years of service will not budget out the same at all.

this type of budget expense lie is not new. Social Security in the 30's and 40's made similar claims about how much people would pay over time. Had Congress lived up to its promise it made in the 30's, our maximum Social Security tax this year would be $90 instead of over $6,000.

thats not the worst of it.
a government pamphlet explaining Social Security stated this: "Beginning Nov. 24, 1936, the United States government will set up a Social Security account for you. ... The checks will come to you as a right."
the problem is, we actually have no right to our Social Security contributions whatsoever.
two court cases show this the first (Helvering vs. Davis (1937)) said "The proceeds of both employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in anyway."
meaning that its just another tax that the government can use how it wishes
and the the second (Fleming vs. Nestor (1960)) said "To engraft upon Social Security system a concept of 'accrued property rights' would deprive it of the flexibility and boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands."

the Social Security website (www.ssa.gov/history/nestor.html) says, "Entitlement to Social Security benefits is not (a) contractual right." Adding, "There has been a temptation throughout the program's history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes entitle them to a benefit in a legal, contractual sense"

why does this worry me? because health care is being sold as a "right" paid for by tax payers... just like Social Security.

You are correct Kuz. There should be NO agency, government or private, that can force us to buy health insurance. It is a violation or our rights 100%. Just the fact that the IRS was chosen to carry out this robbery pointed out the jack boot tactics I feel the government is willing to stoop to so they can control us. This entire health care overhaul is about one thing and one thing only. Control. The government is taking control over our own lives away from us on little piece at a time and I don't see either party stopping it anytime soon...

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These are the very same kind of abuses that led to the first revolution and could well lead to another. Hopefully this time it will not result in a war of arms but rather take the form of a political revolution and the re-establishment of the States Rights originally granted by the Constitution. There comes a time when a correction of the abuses must be done before total despotism is forced on us all.
Excerpt from the DOI
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security

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douche alert....and for once I dont mean Puro;)

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Wow... Resurrection of an oldie here! LoL So who is the douchebag in question if not me? Allllthough it is a bit ironic that I return from a bit of a sabbatical from the forums last night and you post this today.... Hmmmm.... ;)

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welcome back my nemesis (sp?).....it was getting lonely only being called a leftist bleeding hart hippie *** by XMacro. :)

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Glad I can help brother! I even missed your pinko commie ass! LoL j/k It is good to be back around here.

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PuroFreak:

Glad I can help brother! I even missed your pinko commie ass! LoL j/k It is good to be back around here.

Softy...

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PuroFreak:

Glad I can help brother! I even missed your pinko commie ass! LoL j/k It is good to be back around here.

Softy...

Haha Yea, old age is getting to me I guess. Man we had some fun but VERY heated debates in this thread... Some hurt feelings for some people, but I enjoyed every debate, discussion and argument we had here.

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PuroFreak:

RCY Cigars:

PuroFreak:

Glad I can help brother! I even missed your pinko commie ass! LoL j/k It is good to be back around here.

Softy...

Haha Yea, old age is getting to me I guess. Man we had some fun but VERY heated debates in this thread... Some hurt feelings for some people, but I enjoyed every debate, discussion and argument we had here.

Umm, did I miss the rant?

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Ken Light:

Now what we have is a president who is a limp d!ck worthless piece of slow-acting, overly-analytical nonsense wrapped in a fast-melting candy-coating made of hope... Get him the hell out of there.

cabinetmaker:

PuroFreak:

RCY Cigars:

PuroFreak:

Glad I can help brother! I even missed your pinko commie ass! LoL j/k It is good to be back around here.

Softy...

Haha Yea, old age is getting to me I guess. Man we had some fun but VERY heated debates in this thread... Some hurt feelings for some people, but I enjoyed every debate, discussion and argument we had here.

Umm, did I miss the rant?

There was no rant just yet... Actually Vulchor revived this thread. It may be time for a new rant soon however.

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